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Post by kaiserleomon on Nov 12, 2022 14:57:39 GMT
Anyway, I'm very excited about these characters heirs to the heroic legacy of the Justice Society of America I would love it if by chance DC Comics brought more heirs and heiresses of famous characters from the Golden Age of DC Comics who in the past became members and participated in the Justice Society of America either briefly or fully and actively of this team and were valued members of the first super team of heroes and heroines of the DC Universe. I would love to see new and unexpected superheroes masculine and feminine as members of the iconic and emblematic supergroup of Geoff Johns I hope that the Justice Society of America will become a regular and permanent super team of the new DC Universe after the end of Dark Crisis and that we can see countless new adventures of this legendary super group of the Golden Age formed by both legendary heroes and heirs and heiresses of the immemorial legends of the past of the DC Universe as well as completely new and unprecedented heroes who seek to create their own legends I hope that DC Comics does not limit the Justice Society of America's return to this miniseries with Stargirl and that the team wins a comic book title of her own under the command and writing of Geoff Johns and we can see many other unique characters emerging to join the super team of the Justice Society of America.
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Post by reichsmark on Nov 12, 2022 16:45:14 GMT
Yeah, I think I'm out. JSA 1 takes place 26 years from now. While its a time travel storyline i feel like its another bait and switch. We also know that the main protraganist is either a retconned Degaton or his legacy since Johns already spoiled it at the end of Flashpoint Beyond. And the main back story seems to be the search for Dr. Manhattan jr. More Watchman manure and actually more of a follow up to Doomsday Clock.
For a series billed as part of a New Golden Age it looks like very little of it will take place in the 40s. Some flashbacks probably but sounds more like he's following the James Robinson model.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Nov 12, 2022 17:37:18 GMT
I think DC Comics should avoid using that kind of strategy for the Justice Society of America. Let what is nostalgic, perfect and unforgettable in our memories about the past remain in the past and focus on the present to build the future. No more Watchmen, Doomsday Clock and Doctor Manhattan that it was just a peripatetic strategy designed to make more money and sell more comics at the expense of a work that completely dispensed with this kind of thing soon DC Comics will want to make a "Doctor Manhattan Clan" with a Lady Manhattan woman, a Miss Manhattan girl, a Kid Manhattan boy and a Manhattan Dog which would be simply execrable. If it's to build new adventures of the Justice Society of America, let it be with the material of the present time and with iconic villains from the past to serve as enemies, not some fancy inventionism. DC Comics should, instead of worrying about how to profit more and make more money with these characters, instead respect them and their dignity as icons of several generations instead of ruining them with disposable resources and slot machines to get it sell more comics and first of all should have more respect for these heroes and heroines than seeing them as consumer products made just for material profit which they are not. They should first of all be concerned with telling good stories with these characters and with their background not with how many movies, live action series, cartoons and collectibles could sell with them.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Nov 12, 2022 20:44:28 GMT
I think that DC Comics should focus on the here and now of these characters all from the Justice Society of America to think about using what is iconic and emblematic in them now and in all the respect and relevance these characters deserve as immemorial idols of the Golden Age of superheroes and all that they have meant, mean, and will mean to fans who read the next adventures of the Justice Society of America than merely thinking about easy material profit. These heroes and heroines mean a lot to countless fans who have grown and aged reading their adventures that remain unforgettable to this day and all their new material for the comics with adventures written by Geoff Johns who introduced these heroes to a whole new generation and made them like the JSA and see it as the superhero team best would occupy the Justice League of America's place as the main superhero group in the DC Universe. Instead of using time travel devices and voyages for other DC Multiverse Universes and using as main villains complete newbies, DC would have the option of using so many unforgettable and dangerous villains from the DC Universe that have been underestimated by the writers and that they don't need more power or motivations to be evil and who can perfectly throw mountains at heroes' heads without needing powers greater than those they already have. I think the Justice Society of America can be the emblematic group of heroes she has always been with your new members and all and continue to respect the fundamental essence of these heroes that made us love them and vibrate for them in every adventure.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Nov 14, 2022 12:18:27 GMT
www.cbr.com/justice-society-of-america-jsa-futuristic-debuts-kills/Seriously nowadays any villain out of the super-villains kindergarten can kill, barbarize, do and happen as he wants with any group of superheroes. Okay I would admit that the members of the Justice Society of America of 3022 were all a bunch of rookies who weren't up to the legacy of successors to the Justice Society of America but if you follow this line of thinking the same would be true for any super team of young heroes of the DC Universe even the Justice League. Do you know what is necessary to be an heiress of Doctor Fate's legacy? Simply to be one of the most absolutely powerful mystics in all of existence. And "The Stranger" simply killed her with the ease from someone crushing a fly! Do you have any idea who the Sentinel is and what power an heir to him should possess? And the bad character killed him with a sneeze practically! And can you imagine what is needed to someone to be an heir of The Atom / Al Pratt? And the scoundrel reduced him to ashes! If DC Comics created a villain simply for the purpose of "killing all incarnations of the Justice Society of America of all times" I'm not impressed because it's obvious that when The Stranger faces the Justice Society of America of the present he will he may even kill some members but in the end he will take a beating like he's never taken from anyone and the heroes will put him in his rightful place as a super-villain brat junior barely out of diapers super villainous. I'm sorry for the Justice Society of America of 3022 they were created just to serve as an example of the power of the new rookie villain being all killed off without much difficulty which is a tremendous waste of a Justice Society of America team from the cosmic future of the DC Universe that could be of better use than merely serving as sacrificial lambs created merely to demonstrate the power of the new villain brat of the DC Universe.
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Post by jonclark on Nov 15, 2022 7:30:17 GMT
www.cbr.com/justice-society-of-america-jsa-futuristic-debuts-kills/Seriously nowadays any villain out of the super-villains kindergarten can kill, barbarize, do and happen as he wants with any group of superheroes. Okay I would admit that the members of the Justice Society of America of 3022 were all a bunch of rookies who weren't up to the legacy of successors to the Justice Society of America but if you follow this line of thinking the same would be true for any super team of young heroes of the DC Universe even the Justice League. Do you know what is necessary to be an heiress of Doctor Fate's legacy? Simply to be one of the most absolutely powerful mystics in all of existence. And "The Stranger" simply killed her with the ease from someone crushing a fly! Do you have any idea who the Sentinel is and what power an heir to him should possess? And the bad character killed him with a sneeze practically! And can you imagine what is needed to someone to be an heir of The Atom / Al Pratt? And the scoundrel reduced him to ashes! If DC Comics created a villain simply for the purpose of "killing all incarnations of the Justice Society of America of all times" I'm not impressed because it's obvious that when The Stranger faces the Justice Society of America of the present he will he may even kill some members but in the end he will take a beating like he's never taken from anyone and the heroes will put him in his rightful place as a super-villain brat junior barely out of diapers super villainous. I'm sorry for the Justice Society of America of 3022 they were created just to serve as an example of the power of the new rookie villain being all killed off without much difficulty which is a tremendous waste of a Justice Society of America team from the cosmic future of the DC Universe that could be of better use than merely serving as sacrificial lambs created merely to demonstrate the power of the new villain brat of the DC Universe. While i agree in theory with your argument, I have to say that the JSA 3022 came off more as a cross between "I found an artifact no one has used in ages" and "the ant-Red Tornado effect". We aren't told that the girl is the heir of Dr Fate or just some newbie who managed to acquire that helmet. The dialogue tells us that she would have become the mother of a line of Fates but that could be true in the same way a newly empowered Barry Allen is the start of the Allen-West speedsters even though he lacks (at that moment) any skill at using super-speed. The true reason "the Stranger" will fail is because he isn't going to be shown battling Alan Scott moments after he gets his ring in the midst of a train wreck. He isn't going to be killing Kent Nelson before Nabu gives him any training. Or any of the other JSAers as amateurs, He will be facing the team at it's formation (maybe) or a team in 2022 with roughly 80 years of experience in some cases. It's the difference between showing the Luthor of 2022 killing a young Clark Kent who hasn't ever faced a supervillain or Kryptonite and the same Luthor facing the Superman of 2022 who has years of dealing with Lex's plans.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Nov 15, 2022 12:44:57 GMT
What really annoys me is that DC Comics went to the trouble of creating a Justice Society of America of 3022 only for it to be brutally murdered to demonstrate the power of the villain "The Stranger". Basically they were just supporting characters created to die to show that the new villain is to be feared a lot by the Justice Society of America of the present. No history introducing us to the characters and their motivations and fights, no speeches by the heroes that gave some meaning to their deaths, no epics combat, they just appear and are already all killed with refinements of cruelty. This is tremendously cruel on the part of the DC. Create a futuristic version of the Justice Society of America from the year 3022 just to kill everyone. It doesn't matter if they were all a bunch of rookies who couldn't live up to the legacy of the JSA that's perverse, it's perfidious and it's ignoble of anyone to do with a team of heroes. ANY team of heroes. As unimportant or irrelevant as they were they were the Justice Society of America of the future and the villain "The Stranger" still mocks their deaths saying "And so falls another Justice Society of America" which suggests that he killed many others in the process over the ages. This is detestable is the same folly of the villainous Gog who killed Superman countless times throughout history and who was destined to kill Kal-El again, and again, and again, again just because he had the suspicious favor of the writers of story . When a writer becomes a fanboy of the character he writes and allows him to do everything even when there is no coherence in him being able to do so, there is something very wrong with the story. What makes me angry is the fact that they created a Justice Society of America of the future only to waste it to show the size of the power of the villain that the Justice Society of America of the present will face as if killing a Justice Society of America was the most absolutely trivial thing there is and any villain could do it any time he wanted. This is what bother me not so much the death of Justice Society of America 3022 as the fact that they were created by DC Comics just to die and advertise the power of "The Stranger" being that in the end " The Stranger " is nothing that big nor that unbeatable in terms of malevolence.
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Post by reichsmark on Nov 15, 2022 13:37:14 GMT
Johns actually did that once before when he was writing the JSA. He had new villain Johnny Sorrow kill off the Seven Shadows. All except the Scarab, Louis Sendak, a powerful magic user. Johns seemed somewhat annoyed when fans wanted more of the Shadows. He actually responded that they were there just to be killed. He didn't like the fact that some fans were upset.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Nov 15, 2022 14:48:31 GMT
There, In that case, I don't know. I don't know enough about the character of Johnny Sorrow to say that Johns would have any basis for making him simply kill the Seven Shadows. As Stan Lee would say about it, Lee himself has said more than once that in any superhero and super-villain fights, the real winner will always be whoever the writer wants. So I suppose Johnny Sorrow was only able to effectively defeat all of the Seven Shadows purely because Johns wanted to. Likewise the "Stranger" only killed the entire Justice Society of America of 3022 because that's how Johns wanted it to happen.
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Post by jonclark on Nov 16, 2022 1:39:19 GMT
There, In that case, I don't know. I don't know enough about the character of Johnny Sorrow to say that Johns would have any basis for making him simply kill the Seven Shadows. As Stan Lee would say about it, Lee himself has said more than once that in any superhero and super-villain fights, the real winner will always be whoever the writer wants. So I suppose Johnny Sorrow was only able to effectively defeat all of the Seven Shadows purely because Johns wanted to. Likewise the "Stranger" only killed the entire Justice Society of America of 3022 because that's how Johns wanted it to happen. But that logic is also why Johnny Thunder, Green Arrow, and dozens of other humans with impressive skills manage to survive battles with godlike beings. If the writer wasn't actively on their side most JLA/JSA battles with guys like White Martians, Black Adam or Solomon Grundy would end with half the team dead or permanently disabled. Writers choose the events that make the story work. Sometimes that means a bunch of second stringers only get a few scratches fighting Doomsday. Sometimes it means Batgirl actually takes long-term damage. You can't applaud the one and cry foul about the other without looking biased.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Nov 16, 2022 12:08:47 GMT
In that case I'm not sure how I should opine. If the writer wasn't really on the side of the team of heroes, most likely the vast majority of stories in which they face cosmically powerful and absurdly evil villains would end up with heroes like Green Arrow, Black Canary, Huntress, Nightwing, Robin and even Batman suffering injuries mortals and even dying at the hands of villains like Bizarro, Solomon Grundy, Doomsday, Despero, Mongul, Darkseid etc. By logic they would be mere insects daring to put themselves in front of the Gods of Darkness and would end up being the first to pay the maximum price for their daring. Logically, the writer will probably not make the task of defeating the super-villains anything easy or trivial for the heroes and will make them have to demand the highest and inconceivable sacrifices from themselves. I remember the final Animal Man story where he meets Grant Morrison and asks why he killed his family and Morrison replies that's because that's what readers want "human dramas", "adventure", "emotion", " tragedy " with which they can identify their lives with that of the character even if it is at the expense of the suffering of this one or as Morrison said " I only ruin your life because otherwise your comics are canceled and you go back to the Limbo of Forgotten Characters !" . That's why characters also commonly suffer things like becoming paralyzed, having severed body members, losing their powers, having loved ones murdered, etc. Probably the death of the Justice Society of America of 3022 is only for them to be avenged by the Justice Society of America of the present even if it takes a lot of sacrifice from the characters for that. The writer can even make this task almost impossible to be carried out, but he will end up solving it in favor of the heroes.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Nov 16, 2022 14:52:16 GMT
I'm probably being overly melodramatic with the death of the Justice Society of America of 3022. They died . Pity . But in this case there is such a thing as "legacy". Other heroes will rise from the deaths of the Justice Society of America of 3022 and take their place as the new Justice Society of America of the future. And we haven't read the adventures of the Justice Society of America of 3022 but the adventures of the iconic Justice Society of America of the present day so there's no reason to mourn their deaths. No doubt it was sad for DC Comics to create a Justice Society of America of the cosmic future only to be killed but I won't gain anything or get anything by mourning their deaths. Life goes on in the DC Comics Universe of Superheroes regardless of the deaths of the Justice Society of America of 3022 and we continue to read and follow the adventures of the Justice Society of America of the present day with the team we have come to admire as a of the best superhero comics book titles with a team that brings together the heirs of the heroic legacy of the superheroes of the Golden Age of comics and at the same time veteran superheroes and superheroines of the DC Universe. So I can deeply mourn the deaths of the Justice Society of America of 3022 but I will not die don't give up reading superhero comics simply because they died. Life goes on for all of us and I shouldn't make such a big deal out of it because a super team of heroes died.
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Post by jonclark on Nov 16, 2022 23:46:34 GMT
The JSA of 3022, though, is not Buddy Baker it's closer to the "victim of the week" on Murder She Wrote. They have little screentime. We don't know anything about them before the episode. If they hadn't died in the episode we'd never have even known they existed.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Nov 17, 2022 13:02:39 GMT
Yes, but it's no use or productive to mourn their deaths as if the Justice Society of America of 3022 were the greatest group of heroes in the DC Universe. They are only supporting characters so I see no reason to mourn their deaths as if they were an irreparable loss. We don't even know these characters well enough to empathize with them so it's kind of inconsistent to mourn their loss as if DC Comics committed a crime against readers.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Nov 17, 2022 13:12:08 GMT
Basically the team of superheroes that should avenge the Justice Society of America of 3022 is the Justice Society of America of the present that should be the group that will stop the villain "The Stranger" and put an end to his malignants mands and mismands so how is it to the Justice Society of America of the present that we twist and not for the Justice Society of America of 3022 there is no reason for lamentation. If by chance some iconic member of the Justice Society of America of the present dies then I think of mourning his death.
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