WI: Superman Encounters A Black Dwarf?

[dans]

perhaps the Green Lantern Corps moved the early Kryptonias/Daxamites to protect the universe? Definitely an interesting theory.

It certainly seems strange that once Daxamites discovered that they would have super powers outside their own system, ANY Daxamite would hang around and be normal when he or she could be super. And Jor-El apparently knew Kryptonians on Earth would be super - if I had been him, I would have made that public to try and get more help in evacuating Krypton.

[johnreiter902]

Here is my understanding of how Superman's powers worked pre-criis, relative to yellow solar light

Superman depended on a constant influx of yellow solar radiation to maintain his powers. His powers were strongest and most reliable within a yellow sun system

When traveling through intersteller space, Superman's powers were based on what percentage of the nearby stars were yellow, red, orange, and so forth. This meant that his strength would vary depending on which areas of space he traveled through. Long ago, he maped out regions of space where most of the stars are red, and tries to avoid flying though these. I believe there was a comic in the 197os where teh Guardians asked Superman to help deal with a problem where the Green Lantern Corps was unavailable. Superman didn't like it, since that area of space had a high percentage of red stars, and he would be much weaker than normal.

[DocQuantum]

Jan 13, 2024 12:46:47 GMT dans said:

perhaps the Green Lantern Corps moved the early Kryptonias/Daxamites to protect the universe? Definitely an interesting theory.

More likely the Manhunters, or possibly even the Controllers.

[dans]

Controllers sounds right, actually. So, who's up for the story? And I wonder what the Earth 2 and Earth 3 equivalents are? In the Earth 3 universe, perhaps someone was protecting his future interests, but one wonders, if this entity had the power to move the races to other planets, why not just destroy them?

I wonder if Daxam's star and Rao were ever close interstellar neighbors? Do we know how far apart they are? Perhaps they were even part of a binary pair, millions of years ago...

[DocQuantum]

There's an unfinished origin of the Controllers story called Who watches the Watchman? Perhaps this idea can be tied in with that somehow. It occurs over many millennia. I think it needs a heavy rewrite and expansion, as it barely has any dialogue at all. Mostly just describing instead of showing.

[DocQuantum]

Of course, we already have an origin story for Krypton that might conflict. I recall the story of Kryp and Tonn, two space explorers (a man and a woman) who ended up on Krypton and became that world's Adam and Eve? See "A Name is Born," Superman #238 (June, 1971).

[DocQuantum]

And then there's the Sun-Thrivers. More info that pulls this all together here:

supermansupersite.com/1972.html

[dans]

Oh, well, if Krypton was unpopulated before Kryp and Tonn, we're outta luck there. It might be interesting trying to merge that story with a story about the Controllers populating Krypton. Of course, the Kryp/Tonn story might be just a legend, because the real story (Kryptonians being stashed on Krypton to keep them from trashing the universe) is too painful.

[DocQuantum]

Jan 13, 2024 21:18:23 GMT dans said:

Oh, well, if Krypton was unpopulated before Kryp and Tonn, we're outta luck there. It might be interesting trying to merge that story with a story about the Controllers populating Krypton. Of course, the Kryp/Tonn story might be just a legend, because the real story (Kryptonians being stashed on Krypton to keep them from trashing the universe) is too painful.

Yeah, there is that option. Kryp and Tonn were told in flashback only as a story, so we can't know if that is what "really" happened in this fictional world.

[jonclark]

Jan 13, 2024 21:26:56 GMT DocQuantum said:

Jan 13, 2024 21:18:23 GMT dans said:

Oh, well, if Krypton was unpopulated before Kryp and Tonn, we're outta luck there. It might be interesting trying to merge that story with a story about the Controllers populating Krypton. Of course, the Kryp/Tonn story might be just a legend, because the real story (Kryptonians being stashed on Krypton to keep them from trashing the universe) is too painful.

Yeah, there is that option. Kryp and Tonn were told in flashback only as a story, so we can't know if that is what "really" happened in this fictional world.

Could be that Kryp and Tonn were just the first members of each civilization that colonized Krypton. And the Controllers basically guided each ship (Kryp's and Tonn's) to that area of space.

Or the Guardians did it in order to get the people they wanted as ancestors to their Super-Lantern replacement. Maybe they started with Kryp and Tonn as the first candidates and kept dumping other candidates on this planet (from other worlds)  slowly altering other races into  into what would one day be Kryptonians,

The red sun angle could be simply a control mechanism to keep these beings isolated until the Guardians were sure they had the moral template right.

 

[redsycorax]

Or the Kryp and Tonn story might be purely mythological, which is my guess. I suspect that Daxam might have been colonised by the same ancestral civilization that colonised Krypton. However, there's no telling how devastating the Vrang invasion might have been and how much it destroyed. Perhaps information about any such shared origins?

As for the Daxamites, their lead vulnerability would keep them on their homeworld, unless someone developed an anti-lead serum before Brainiac 5, but the secret was lost.

[redsycorax]

Back to the subject of this thread. In the thirtieth century, Brainiac 5 finds out his ancestor plans to use a deep time weapon against Superman or Supergirl. He therefore works with the Time Institute to foil his plot through manufacturing multiple ultra-solar batteries and placing them in the far future when the weapon will deposit them. Perhaps he even has a conversation with Superboy or Supergirl about it leaving out details when they're with the Legion at some point and provides them with a USB homing device?

[dans]

Why not instead build each of them a personal 'quantum energy transporter' which draws energy from the environment around them and converts it to ultra-solar radiation? There will be energy all over the place in the universe at that time, I think - it is just that it will be distributed evenly throughout the volume of the universe with no concentrations such as we have now. If Brainy's device could draw on all the distributed energy over a volume of a couple of light years, that might be enough? Or just build them USB time-travel dongles that they can carry with them all the time. Maybe a one-use dongle with a pre-determined ending location?

Giving each of them a rescue device seems more efficient than trying to populate a future universe with enough devices that one will be nearby if and when Supergirl pops into existence multiple hundreds of billions of years in the future.

[redsycorax]

Sounds like an excellent idea, Dan, and not beyond Brainiac 5's capabilities as a scientist. I'm open to strategies that might be used in such a potential and both of yours could fit nicely. Although, too, Querl and Kara are in a relationship and I suspect he'd move heaven and earth to insure her safety in particular. I suspect there would be possibilities for that conversation and insertion of suitably miniaturised USB devices in (say) their belt buckles or capes to foil Brainiac 1's machinations. Once Brainiac 1 used his deep time weapon and Kal or Kara were whisked far uptime, they'd simply use the USB device to make it a round trip. And cloaking to insure Brainiac 1 doesn't detect it beforehand.