|
Post by dans on May 29, 2024 11:09:38 GMT
Lots of differences, indeed, including a story line that up until that time, at least, DC wouldn't have written - a story about their mainstream heroes putting themselves above the law, that was not an 'imaginary story'. Which is one of the reasons it was so interesting to read...
I really liked Ape X and found her to be a very sympathetic character. I understand Tom keeping his cancer to himself except... there is a good chance one of his teammates could have helped him; Arcanna's magic perhaps?
|
|
|
Post by kaiserleomon on May 29, 2024 13:57:19 GMT
Of course, the writers can make whoever they want win. But I just never got the impression that any of the members of the Squadron Supreme were the equals of their JLA counterparts. I thought that was deliberate; DC heroes were getting way too powerful at that time, so the power levels of the Squadron were more realistic. I was never sure about Amphibian - we didn't see a lot of him in the original series. And Tom Thumb might have been more powerful in his own way than the Atom. I really enjoyed the series, I did think the lower power levels made it more realistic while it was also clear that each of the heroes was a respectful pastiche of the DC heroes. Yes, that's what I meant. In any fight between two or more comic characters, whoever the story's writer wants to win wins. I had never really thought about the fact that the power levels of the Squadron Supreme members were more realistic and consistent with the power levels of the superheroes and supervillains of the Marvel Universe. But the team was still very powerful to the point of being able to make a worthy opponent for the Avengers. The fact that the power levels of the Squadron Supreme members are below those of the Justice League also applies to the Angor Assemblers whose power levels are far below the Avengers and they have more realistic power levels as they are respectful counterparts to the DC Universe of Marvel heroes.
|
|
|
Post by kaiserleomon on May 29, 2024 14:20:47 GMT
With some differences- the Whizzer was married, with children, and so was Arcanna, despite the fact that Zatanna wasn't. Green Lantern was far more mature than Doctor Spectrum, Firestorm didn't die of radiation poisoning, the Mink killed Foxglove (albeit after the latter killed Nighthawk), Golden Archer was unethical enough to brainwash Lady Lark, Golden Eagle was single compared to Hawkman, Princess Power's Steve Trevor analogue aged realtime, Shape was intellectually disabled and unmarried compared to the Elongated Man, Ape X has no ready equivalent within the JLA (the nearest I can think of is Monsieur Mallah from the Doom Patrol's rogues gallery), Hyperion isn't an alien and Zarda isn't an Amazon. Mind you, much the same could be seen for the Extremists of Angor, DC's pastiche of the Marvel Universe. I suspect those differences are there to make it obvious that they're homages/parodies and to stave off copyright violation concerns. Yes, you are right, I also believe that the same would apply to The Assemblers of Angor, who would all have particular characteristics that would significantly differentiate them from Marvel's Avengers so that they would not be too similar to the point that it would be obvious that they would be a blatant copy of the group. of Earth's Mightiest Heroes from the Universe of Earth-616, the Assemblers are also comparatively weaker and more caricatured than the Avengers and it would be very interesting to explore this dichotomy between the two teams if there were stories involving these groups facing off against the super- heroes of the DC Universe from Earth-617 and their interactions with the heroes of the Marvel Universe. I would really like to see what could happen in a meeting / confrontation between the Assemblers and the Squadron Supreme to see which counterparts / look-alikes / homages / pastiche copies would do better over the other. It would be really cool to see a writer here at the DC 5 Earths Forum writing a story with this theme.
|
|
|
Post by dans on May 29, 2024 14:25:19 GMT
we are open to stories from everyone! And in the Multiverse area, a story doesn't have to conform to the 5EP canon!
An interesting thought. Suppose Clark Kent were to wake up one day and find he had somehow been switched with Hyperion, back when the Squadron Supreme was in charge of American, and he discovered that he was one of the rulers of the US, along with a team of heroes he had never met before?
|
|
|
Post by kaiserleomon on May 29, 2024 14:37:30 GMT
Lots of differences, indeed, including a story line that up until that time, at least, DC wouldn't have written - a story about their mainstream heroes putting themselves above the law, that was not an 'imaginary story'. Which is one of the reasons it was so interesting to read... I really liked Ape X and found her to be a very sympathetic character. I understand Tom keeping his cancer to himself except... there is a good chance one of his teammates could have helped him; Arcanna's magic perhaps? Without a doubt, both of these groups have notable differences from their counterparts in the DC and Marvel Universes that I believe would yield excellent themes to be explored in stories if any writer decides to write stories with them. I also like Ape X, she is a very interesting character, I think she could be a female mix of Solovar the King of Gorilla-City with Primat the member of the Dreambound Tom Thumb could perhaps be cured by The Atom of the DC Universe of the Earth-617 who would use his micro technology to extirpate the cancer from his counterpart's body.
|
|
|
Post by kaiserleomon on May 29, 2024 14:46:37 GMT
we are open to stories from everyone! And in the Multiverse area, a story doesn't have to conform to the 5EP canon! An interesting thought. Suppose Clark Kent were to wake up one day and find he had somehow been switched with Hyperion, back when the Squadron Supreme was in charge of American, and he discovered that he was one of the rulers of the US, along with a team of heroes he had never met before? It would be quite interesting to see this happen someday to make the notable contrasts between Superman and Hyperion to make very clear that despite being counterparts they are definitely two very different men. Or perhaps the alien Grom The Over-Mind, who also managed to survive the destruction of the Earth-616 Universe, would use his powers to completely dominate Earth-617 and the Justice League would need to work alongside the Squadron Supreme to defeat the threat.
|
|
|
Post by dans on May 29, 2024 15:33:12 GMT
Hyperion tells Lonnie he is an alien in the first issue of the original series... I see in other places that he is an Eternal and another version of him was in fact an alien. Too much messing around...
|
|
|
Post by kaiserleomon on May 29, 2024 15:53:13 GMT
Hyperion tells Lonnie he is an alien in the first issue of the original series... I see in other places that he is an Eternal and another version of him was in fact an alien. Too much messing around... As I remember Hyperion's origin he is the last survivor of a Subatomic Universe and he was in fact an Eternal from this Universe so he was both an alien last survivor of a Destroyed Universe and an Eternal and he even had a civilian identity similar to of Clark Kent but abandoned her and abandoned any possibility of a more serious romantic relationship with his Lois Lane counterpart at the beginning of the 1985 - 1986 Squadron Supreme of the Marvel miniseries.
|
|
|
Post by kaiserleomon on May 29, 2024 16:06:59 GMT
As I remember, Squadron Supreme also had counterparts to Lex Luthor called "Master Menace" his civil name is Emil Burbank and he is the ideological opposite of Hyperion, there is also a counterpart to Doctor Fate called Professor Imam, the ultimate mystic master of Earth of Squadron Supreme and a counterpart to the Phantom Stranger called Mysterium.
|
|
|
Post by dans on May 30, 2024 11:37:57 GMT
There are at least 5 different versions of Hyperion, with different origins. I guess that differentiates him from all the different versions of Superman who all have the same origin...
|
|
|
Post by kaiserleomon on May 30, 2024 14:01:13 GMT
There are at least 5 different versions of Hyperion, with different origins. I guess that differentiates him from all the different versions of Superman who all have the same origin... Yes, I am aware of this fact that there are 5 different alternative variants of Hyperion from 5 different Alternative Realities of the Marvel Multiverse, I think that if by chance some writer here at the DC 5 Earths Forum were to use him in an adventure with a confrontation between Justice League and the Squadron Supreme should choose the one they think is most appropriate for the story. For example King Hyperion resembles Superboy Prime.
|
|
|
Post by kaiserleomon on May 30, 2024 14:01:42 GMT
For the Assemblers I think we should maintain the original team formation from their stories with Justice League International with the difference that there would be counterparts to the Sensational She-Hulk, Hercules the Power Prince, The Vision, The Beast, Wonder Man, Starfox, The Falcon, Sersi, Spectrum (Monica Rambeau), Quasar, Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers), Gilgamesh the Forgotten One, Black Panther among others.
|
|
|
Post by kaiserleomon on May 30, 2024 18:46:11 GMT
In the same way, I think it would be cool to make a counterpart to the Legion of Doom from Earth from the Squadron Supreme Universe with counterparts / look-alikes / homages / pastiche copies from the Marvel Universe from the Earth-616 of the most terrible villains from the DC Universe with equivalents from: Lex Luthor, Brainiac, Bizarro, Solomon Grundy, Sinestro, Pollux (a clone of Barry Allen), Scarecrow, Riddler, Joker, Giganta, Cheetah, Gorilla Grodd, Toyman, Tala, Merlyn (Arthur King).
|
|
|
Post by kaiserleomon on May 30, 2024 18:56:33 GMT
And at the same time the villains The Extremists formed by: Lord Havoc, Doctor Diehard, Dreamslayer, Gorgon, Tracer with new members such as counterparts / look-alikes / homages / pastiche copies of the DC Universe of The Abomination, Juggernaut, Loki the God of Betrayal, The Enchantress, Tiger Shark (Todd Arliss), Red Skull, Baron Zemo, Baron Mordo, Ultron, Man-Ape (M'Baku), Titania, Volcana, Venom, Dark Beast, Trickshot (Charles Barton), Speed Demon among others who constituted formidable enemies to be faced by the heroes of Earth-617.
|
|