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Post by johnreiter902 on Feb 27, 2019 23:49:21 GMT
If she is a counterpart of Luthor, and has equivalent intelligence, then she would be potentially a thousand years ahead of Krypton, which is already a thousand years ahead of Earth. We learned in Adventure Comics #360 that Luthor's technology will still be considered state-of-the-art in the 30th century.
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Post by redsycorax on Feb 28, 2019 5:25:45 GMT
At the time of its destruction, Krypton-One didn't have widespread interstellar travel, but it did have weather control domes, bizarro replication technology (General Zod), possibly antimatter weapons (Jax-Ur and the destruction of Wegthor), interdimensional correctional technology (the Phantom Zone) and highly advanced visual technology (given that Jor-El was able to view events on Earth before he and Lara sent Kal-El there.) Assuming an advance of thirty or so years on that datum, it is indeed possible that Krypton-159 would have greater access to interstellar travel, and if Lu-Thoria had worked out that Earthite harmed Supermaid, she must have been aware of the Sol nova and that Supermaid's chest insignia was a schematic depiction of Earth. It may be the case that Rao is also a red dwarf star in relatively close proximity to Earth-159's solar system so she may have seen and examined the Sol nova in close detail, and perhaps even spotted the starship and powerbeam that saved the infant Lois Lane from its destruction. Of course, all this is surmise.
Ah, and another benign Luthor has just occurred to me- remember, Lex Luthor's thirtieth/thirty-first century descendant was able to induce his own superpowers and is a member of the Adult Legion of Super-Heroes in at least one timeline. Specifically, he appeared in the story "The Adult Legion" (Adventure Comics 355/356: April/May 1967), albeit at the very end, along with Mxyzptlk V, a descendant of a certain fifth dimensional Zrfffian imp (and brother to the one that went on a Legionnaire killing spree during the period of Lightning Lad's death/suspended animation.
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Post by johnreiter902 on Feb 28, 2019 11:22:03 GMT
Ah, and another benign Luthor has just occurred to me- remember, Lex Luthor's thirtieth/thirty-first century descendant was able to induce his own superpowers and is a member of the Adult Legion of Super-Heroes in at least one timeline. Specifically, he appeared in the story "The Adult Legion" (Adventure Comics 355/356: April/May 1967), albeit at the very end, along with Mxyzptlk V, a descendant of a certain fifth dimensional Zrfffian imp (and brother to the one that went on a Legionnaire killing spree during the period of Lightning Lad's death/suspended animation. I wouldn't count him, since he is clearly the descendant of the 20th century Luthor of that Earth, who he states was a villain.
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Post by redsycorax on Feb 28, 2019 21:32:39 GMT
Yes, but Luthor's descendant himself clearly isn't villainous, and he does seem to be trying to atone for the misdeeds of his ancestor, so he probably would be a good prospect for any collective organisation of benign Luthors.
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Post by johnreiter902 on May 5, 2020 14:30:16 GMT
I think I will add Earth-1938 to this, since it is a counterpart of Earth-2, and maybe an alternate world based off the Time-Trapper's Pocket Universe, which was basically an alternate version of Earth-1
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Post by redsycorax on Oct 5, 2022 3:50:15 GMT
I've always wondered about the Pocket Universe's actual provenance. Clearly, there was originally a villainous younger Lex Luthor in Superboy's original timeline, given that his loss of hair and exposure to possibly psychotropic chemicals that warped his perceptions and moral sensibilities occurred then. However, when we see the Pocket Universe Lex, he has red hair and never knew Superboy. Ergo, how does this sound for a possible denouement- the Pocket Universe was manufactured by Time Trapper after the Crisis and the Superboy who died in that Legion continuity was therefore never the classic Earth-One version. The Trapper has never utilised the same trick again, nor have any other 'omega class' supervillains of vast power who might have liked the idea. Therefore, the Earth-One Superboy still exists, Lex Luthor still lost his hair in the chemical accident that warped his mind and Superboy was still unable to cure the Kents of the mystery tropical illness that ultimately killed them and led to his departure for Metropolis.
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Post by jonclark on Oct 5, 2022 7:05:50 GMT
The Pocket Universe might have been based on Earth-One when the Post-Crisis Superman and the Legion first encountered it. The original story seemed to have a Superboy identical to the Silver/Bronze Age one that had joined the Legion. We didn't see Lex, any of the future JLA, or even touch on Supergirl. When Byrne came back to the idea, that was when we suddenly found out that Lex on this world had never gone evil, that no other planets existed in that universe but Krypton and Earth, etc. It was also the Superman books that changed Superboy from a longtime Legionnaire who had only recently joined the team before his death.
The Pocket Universe also raised too many questions about Legion history 1) Supergirl's membership. Brainiac 5 still remembered her after Crisis. And with Superboy dead, she couldn't have encountered him as Superman. 2) Where does Mon-El come from and why didn't he realize he was put in the Phantom Zone in one universe and pulled out in another. He supposedly watched history pass by in the Zone. 3) Did Jimmy ever become an honorary member as Elastic Lad?
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Post by johnreiter902 on Oct 5, 2022 12:11:07 GMT
I've always wondered about the Pocket Universe's actual provenance. Clearly, there was originally a villainous younger Lex Luthor in Superboy's original timeline, given that his loss of hair and exposure to possibly psychotropic chemicals that warped his perceptions and moral sensibilities occurred then. However, when we see the Pocket Universe Lex, he has red hair and never knew Superboy. Ergo, how does this sound for a possible denouement- the Pocket Universe was manufactured by Time Trapper after the Crisis and the Superboy who died in that Legion continuity was therefore never the classic Earth-One version. The Trapper has never utilised the same trick again, nor have any other 'omega class' supervillains of vast power who might have liked the idea. Therefore, the Earth-One Superboy still exists, Lex Luthor still lost his hair in the chemical accident that warped his mind and Superboy was still unable to cure the Kents of the mystery tropical illness that ultimately killed them and led to his departure for Metropolis. It makes sense when you look at the Superboy chronology at DCU Guide. Superboy first met Luthor, shortly after he first met the Legion. The Time-Trapper took a slice of time from right after Superboy first joined the Legion, and used it to make an alternate Earth so there would be a Superboy to serve in the Legion.
Then, Superboy died fighting the Time-Trapper, so he never met Luthor. All the silver age Superboy adventures after he first met the Legion do not happen, or play out differently because there is no Superboy.
I never liked the idea that there were no aliens except Kryptonians in the Pocket Universe, since aliens were so essential to so many Superboy stories, and I hate to lose them. My own head cannon is that it was a universe where ONLY the silver age Superboy stories were real, and nothing from any other comic happened.
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Post by redsycorax on Oct 5, 2022 22:13:30 GMT
In my continuation of the LSH Five Years Later timeline, I basically decided to abolish the existence of the Pocket Universe and reboot the Superboy/Superman continuity with the Legion. I think it has something to do with my loathing for most of the attempted massacres of Legion continuity in subsequent abortive reboots over and over again. Otherwise, things get ridiculously complicated.
Another visible continuity glitch was the Flash and Iris Allen in the thirtieth century at the onset of the Crisis on Infinite Earths. 2980s Central City was supposed to be a monad, not open to the air like that. Moreover, the next time we see Iris Allen, her timeline is exactly the same as the Legion, whereas initially it was divergent. And this was before (ugh) Zero Hour!
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Post by DocQuantum on Oct 5, 2022 22:39:50 GMT
Getting back to the first post, I’d love to see this story happen. I can almost picture it as a fast-paced adventure with betrayal on both sides. For example there may be a reason that Earth-1 Lex hated his Earth-2 counterpart Alexei enough to simply watch Brainiac destroy him in the Crisis for no reason other than his challenge for leadership under the guise of not needing two Luthors.
The story would need to have enough gravitas that you realize the multiverse is in real danger while also wrapping it up so that a status quo of sorts can return at the end.
This might also necessitate the Supermen of Earths-1 and 2 gathering several of their own counterparts for the clean-up operation at the end when the evil Luthors’ plans are thwarted.
I said earlier this reminds me of Rick & Morty, but it also reminds me more of Alan Moore’s Supreme and its Supremium and all the versions of Darius Dax that teamed up.
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Post by redsycorax on Oct 6, 2022 1:03:15 GMT
I think you might mean the Anti-Monitor destroyed Alexei Luthor during the Crisis, Doc. Actually, I thought that the reason for Lex' distaste and revulsion at his Earth-Two counterpart was because Earth-One's Luthor isn't beyond redemption and does have some moral scruples. When he realised that he had intercepted Superboy's attempt to change history by insuring Booth missed Lincoln in 1865, he seemed genuinely remorseful and horrified at his own actions. Alexei, on the other hand, is a ruthless psychopath who tried to wipe out Earths One and Two in a probability convergence event. Witnessing that might have horrified Earth-One's Lex and made him decide that the multiverse was better off without his dangerous Earth-Two counterpart. I don't think it's hatred, more moral revulsion at what Alexei tried to do. And possibly, realisation that his counterpart might well be a mass murderer.
I've let John use my Earth-718 version of Lex as well- a President Luthor who destroyed Brainiac and turned himself into a cyborg, and then triggered a nuclear war that exterminated all life on his Earth (given this AU didn't have a Superman to stop him- its Krypton exploded with no survivors). I got the idea off a Smallville episode and then decided to noir it up a little.
And definitely, I want John to write this story too! It sounds absolutely fascinating!!!
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Post by johnreiter902 on Oct 6, 2022 12:00:28 GMT
I think you might mean the Anti-Monitor destroyed Alexei Luthor during the Crisis, Doc. Actually, it was Brainiac and Luthor of Earth-1 who killed Alexei. It was in the Villains War. Alexei challenged Lex for leadership of the villain army, and was terminated
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Post by redsycorax on Oct 9, 2022 22:32:52 GMT
Encountering Luthor-718 might be an important lesson for those members of the League of Luthors who have fought Supermen, Supermaid, Superwomen, Ultraman or any other high calibre adversary, given that without the existence of a Superman on his Earth, he committed the ultimate obscenity and triggered a nuclear holocaust which obliterated all life on his planet. And given that he's post-human and augmented with Brainiac's technology, he'd be the ultimate adversary and the existential nadir of moral probity for any more altruistic or humane iteration of Lex.
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