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Post by dans on Apr 6, 2020 11:27:46 GMT
She probably is taking college level courses, Lib. She may even be attending classes at one of Gotham's many colleges and universities.
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Post by lawrenceliberty on Apr 6, 2020 19:09:18 GMT
Story moved to first post.
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Post by DocQuantum on Apr 8, 2020 6:39:53 GMT
Thanks very much for the feedback. I caught my error with the last name of the current Robin. I don't know why I gave her the name Taylor! I'll work on a revision. By the way, Carrie is in high school right? Do you think she might be one of those students who also take a few college classes before graduating from high school? Check with Starsky to find out how old she was. I was under the impression she was about the same age as the Carrie Kelley from Batman: The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller, where she was 13, if I recall correctly (and that's what Wikipedia says, too). If that's true, she's probably a bit on the young side to actually be taking college courses, as opposed to studying on her own (as any Robin would be expected to do). EDIT: From a quick read of Batman: Siege of the Mutants by Starsky, she seems to be old enough to be considering college applications at some point in the future, but still in high school for the foreseeable future, so she could be a Sophomore. I haven't read that story in depth enough to guess her age more accurately.
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Post by starskyhutch76 on Apr 8, 2020 15:15:58 GMT
She could be. She seems to be an over achiever in spite of her hippie parents.
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Post by lawrenceliberty on Apr 8, 2020 17:29:38 GMT
Thanks. So how old is she? Now that I "sort of" introduced the Red Hood I planned on sending him off on his own but I thought he might have one adventure with Batman and Robin before departing from Gotham and I wasn't sure how old Robin was.
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Post by starskyhutch76 on Apr 10, 2020 4:48:09 GMT
I'm not a big fan of the Red Hood wearing a bat symbol. That makes him still sort of a sidekick. My favorite version of him was during the brief time before nu52 when ruce was though to be dead and Dick became Batman with Damian as his robin during Morrison's run on "Batman and Robin". Jason donned tights and a cape and took his own sidekick becoming a sort of rival to Dick's Batman.
Jensen Ackles of 'Superatural' did the voice of Jason in the "Under the Red Hood" animated movie. He dressed as him a few years later for Halloween.
wegotthiscovered.com/tv/supernaturals-jensen-ackles-red-hood-cosplay-photos/
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Post by johnreiter902 on Apr 10, 2020 11:38:42 GMT
This is a great story. The times past section was a perfect addition.
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Post by lawrenceliberty on Apr 10, 2020 17:27:45 GMT
Thanks for reading it. I think he will distance self from Batman and Gotham soon enough in fact I may have the next story about him not include Batman or Robin after all. I actually like the new 52 rebirth costume best myself but it would be easy to drop the bat emblem now that he knows he never really was a Robin.
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Post by DocQuantum on Apr 10, 2020 23:24:17 GMT
Good story, Libby! Although it lacks the mystery of the original version, it makes up for it with a bit more history. I like that he was trained by many of Batman's foes in their own areas of expertise.
Darrk's plan seems a bit insane, to have put many years of effort into creating a pawn who believes he was once Batman's crime-fighting partner. I wonder if there was more to it than we realize?
In the flashback, maybe Darrk should note that Robin has left Gotham City for Carthage, New York, and it seemed probable that at this time Batman might take on another young apprentice such as this young man. He might laugh at the idea that Al Draper would have become a new Robin if he hadn't intervened at this time. It would be highly prescient of him, but it's possible he was closely watching Batman's activities at this time. Did Darrk always know Batman's secret identity like Ra's al Ghul and Talia? I'm not as familiar with him.
I wasn't too keen on having all of those Post-Crisis Batman stories taking place on Earth-1 in the past, since I don't think it adds anything to Batman's history, so I'm glad you removed references to them. Still, why couldn't Al Draper "recall" real Batman cases that were published in the comics, in which Batman really worked alone, but that Al remembers slightly differently? A few "untold stories" could be mixed in during that time period.
Another thing that might have clued in Al Draper that his history was a lie was when he learned that Jason Todd's time as Robin must have overlapped his own, if the Martian agent posing as Jason Todd became Robin around 1984 or so, less than a year before the Crisis of 1985. Did Darrk's false history of Batman take into account Jason Todd, and if so, how was it done?
Looking forward to seeing more of the new Red Hood. It would be good to explore his past a bit more with each new story.
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Post by lawrenceliberty on Apr 11, 2020 16:28:22 GMT
Thanks. Darrk only learned Batman's secret identity while recovering from being shot by Talia. I think his obsession with his old boss Ra's turned into an equal obsession with Batman after that story. I actually had one other idea that I toyed with using. Sandman could indeed drug people and make them vulnerable to brainwashing and function as a type of highly capable sleepwalkers BUT he never did really plant memories. His exploration into the world of dreams caught the attention of the Nightmare Wizard who casually planted the memories of an alt. timeline Al who was in fact Robin in Al's mind. So, like those DC writers that picked up stories from E-1 and made them stories in comics on Earth Prime, Al of E-1 picked up the memories of an Al who became Robin in an alt. timeline.
I didn't refer to this since they merely think Sandman brainwashed him but since it is fantasy, it could be Sandman didn't realize his success came from the supernatural Nightmare Wizard. The Al who was a Robin may have been Bill "Batman" Gore's 2nd teen partner before the NW duped Sandman into bringing that Batman into our timeline.
This may not be the case. It may be better from a story point of view to merely move on and have Red Hood become his own person away from Gotham City. He would merely be a vigilante who was trained by various criminals and has a some false memories of working with Batman.
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Post by johnreiter902 on Apr 12, 2020 20:24:46 GMT
I like the idea of using the Nightmare Wizard. I always wanted to see more of him.
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Post by DocQuantum on Apr 12, 2020 20:48:43 GMT
That could lead to a battle between the heroic Sandman versus the evil Sandman, too.
Speaking of the Earth-A characters you've been using, Libby, could we get a "reading list" of all the stories featuring them? I think it would help readers to be able to follow along a bit better.
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Post by lawrenceliberty on Apr 13, 2020 14:42:15 GMT
In JLA :Games Dr. Destiny brought the E-A Lawless League back to reality and had them attack Nubia. Sandman saved her. Later, the Sandman attempted to turn them into heroes to defend Planet X. (Little did he know, he failed.)
In Evil Star Ascendant: Tazzala the Hive Queen brought them to Kalanor and enslaved them until Snapper Carr and his brother freed them. They vowed to return to Planet X to protect the natives.
Super Team Family: Dreamland - They wrestled with how they have reformed and was their reformation real? Changes in their demeanors and appearances were noted. They mentioned how their Martian Manhunter died fighting Khunds.
Sandman confronted them and told them that he had been duped. He had never reformed the evil Lawless League. A foe called Nightmare Wizard had actually switched the villainous Lawless League from JLA Games with their own heroic counterparts the League of Justice and had made the good League believe they had been formerly bad guys now given a chance to reform. It was a hoax caused by Nightmare Wizard who knew a timeline without main heroes would be more likely to be a place that would generate a lot of nightmares in the helpless and tormented natives. Sandman sent the heroic League to their proper timeline.
What they found there is to be the subject of another story.
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