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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 22, 2020 18:32:04 GMT
So does that also mean Iris Allen still got pregnant in 2985 with Barry during the brief interlude they were together, and that Don and Dawn Allen, Bart Allen and Jenni Ognats exist in the 5 Earths as well? It's good to hear Aquaman and Mera finally got over Arthur Jr's death and had another child, too. I've been bothered about the relative absence of children within the DC metahuman community until quite recently. Why did Hawkman and Hawkwoman/Hawkgirl never settle down and start a family of their own? Was it written into their Thanagarian police employment contracts? Or Dinah and Oliver, for that matter? They've been together for long enough. I would also find the two sons of Wally West, Iris West II and Jai West interesting, they are two super-speedster characters that I would love to see on Titans or Young Justice. I wish that if DC Comics had remembered to give Jay Garrick the Flash of the Earth-2 a son or daughter who would be part of Infinity Inc. I don't think it's possible that Jay is married and never thought about the idea of having children I think that Hector Hall if he were still alive he might as well have taken on the identity of Hawkboy instead of Silver Scarab to honor his parents.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 22, 2020 18:33:02 GMT
So does that also mean Iris Allen still got pregnant in 2985 with Barry during the brief interlude they were together, and that Don and Dawn Allen, Bart Allen and Jenni Ognats exist in the 5 Earths as well? It's good to hear Aquaman and Mera finally got over Arthur Jr's death and had another child, too. I've been bothered about the relative absence of children within the DC metahuman community until quite recently. Why did Hawkman and Hawkwoman/Hawkgirl never settle down and start a family of their own? Was it written into their Thanagarian police employment contracts? Or Dinah and Oliver, for that matter? They've been together for long enough. I know Barry and iris had at least one child, a daughter who has come back as a teenager to the 20th century. As for other meta-human kids- the problem is female heroes would need maternity leave and in an ongoing comic that is hard to work in. Ralph can have all the adventures he wants while Sue is pregnant as she is not physically battling anyone. Shayera or Dinah would have trouble being active characters in stories alongside Katar and Ollie while pregnant. Not saying it is a bad idea, just that I can see why DC never used it. Interesting to know this because it is very cool to know that there are Impulse and XS here on the DC 5 Earths forum that can be used in fanfictions as members of the super team of teen heroes from Universe DC.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 22, 2020 18:34:33 GMT
By the way isn't Sue allergic to Gingold? Her Detective Comics attempt to be an Elongated Woman consisted of her using stilts and extending arms to fool some crooks. I also remembered that fact so I thought it best to just put Ralph Dibny or the Elongated Man as a member of JLI precisely because there would be certain problems in using Sue Dibny as "the Elongated Woman"
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 22, 2020 18:35:51 GMT
Why did Hawkman and Hawkwoman/Hawkgirl never settle down and start a family of their own? Was it written into their Thanagarian police employment contracts? Or Dinah and Oliver, for that matter? They've been together for long enough. I’ve addressed the Hawks’ lack of children in the Legion of Doom story. So Hector Hall is not alive? Pity. But in that case wouldn't it be possible to use the Golden Eagle? I hope he at least remains alive and is a superhero.
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Post by DocQuantum on Sept 22, 2020 18:37:11 GMT
Hector Hall is Earth-2. This concerns the Earth-1 Hawks.
Golden Eagle is fully human and a member of Titans West.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 22, 2020 18:42:57 GMT
Hector Hall is Earth-2. This concerns the Earth-1 Hawks. Golden Eagle is fully human and a member of Titans West. I know in the case I was referring to members of the Infinity Inc of Earth-2 like Hector Hall, Northwind, Nuklon, Fury, Jade, Obsidian, Doctor Midnight, Wildcat II / Yolanda Montez, Hourman / Rick Tyler, Jonni Thunder etc.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 22, 2020 18:49:19 GMT
So does that also mean Iris Allen still got pregnant in 2985 with Barry during the brief interlude they were together, and that Don and Dawn Allen, Bart Allen and Jenni Ognats exist in the 5 Earths as well? It's good to hear Aquaman and Mera finally got over Arthur Jr's death and had another child, too. I've been bothered about the relative absence of children within the DC metahuman community until quite recently. Why did Hawkman and Hawkwoman/Hawkgirl never settle down and start a family of their own? Was it written into their Thanagarian police employment contracts? Or Dinah and Oliver, for that matter? They've been together for long enough. I think it would be really cool if at least here on the DC 5 Earths Arthur Jr. / Aquaboy forum he had survived to the point of becoming a teenage superhero and a member of the Titans or Young Justice. I am not satisfied with the tragic fate he had in comics. I would also like to see Lian Harper as the new Speedy of the Titans or else Red Arrow and I would like to see Jason Todd. I would also find it very interesting to be able to see an heir or descendant of Max Mercury. I don't think it's possible that Max never thought about the idea of having children I think that that could also have Redwing of the Team Titans and the other members of Team Titans like: Battalion, Nightrider, Mirage, Prestor Jon, Terra II / Tara Markov (alternative superheroine version), Kilowatt.
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Post by DocQuantum on Sept 22, 2020 18:58:06 GMT
You really need to catch up on our stories. Jay Garrick has a young son named John, also known as Whiz Kid. He’s a super speedster and a member of the Junior JSA, a teen team on Earth-2.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 22, 2020 19:05:24 GMT
You really need to catch up on our stories. Jay Garrick has a young son named John, also known as Whiz Kid. He’s a super speedster and a member of the Junior JSA, a teen team on Earth-2. Good to know that I never resigned myself to the fact that in comics Jay Garrick being married needed Barry Allen to be his heir to the heroic legacy and he never had a son who inherited from him the super powers of super speedster and became the new Flash from Earth-2. I would love to see John Garrick as a super-speedster of the Infinity Inc.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 22, 2020 20:31:39 GMT
I was thinking ... what about Eric Strauss and Linda Strauss who fuse physically to form a mystical entity that would be the agent of the equilibrium between Chaos and Order in Universe DC and substitute for Doctor Fate as supreme mage of the Universe DC does he exist in Universe DC 5 Earths or did Eric Strauss die as in comics facing Darkseid and Linda shortly afterwards would also die facing Doctor Anti-Fate? Couldn't Eric and Linda Strauss be the "Doctor Fate" of the Earth-1 member of the Justice League International since there are countless of counterparts of Doctor Fate in the Multiverse?
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Post by lawrenceliberty on Sept 22, 2020 20:43:13 GMT
You are going to have an army not a super hero team.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 22, 2020 21:27:47 GMT
You are going to have an army not a super hero team. You're right . Bad idea . A very big team would literally be impossible to manage efficiently. Forget what I said about Doctor Fate.
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Post by redsycorax on Sept 23, 2020 1:22:26 GMT
I must admit, the lack of generational turnover is one thing that really irritates me about the DC Core Earth at present. There have been some minor concessions- Dick Grayson became Nigbtwing, Damian Wayne and Jonathon Kent are the children of Batman and Superman, Kyle Rayner became Green Lantern and Wally West became the Flash and so on. However, it's balanced out by anti-concessional elements like the death of Aquababy, the rapid divorce of the Atom and Jean Loring, and Donna Troy and Terry Long and the death of their baby, the erasure of Wally's children, Bart Allen and XS from existence, the awkward estrangement of Hawkman and Hawkwoman, and the multiple Steve Trevors. By now (2020), Earth-One should look something like Earth-16 in the current multiverse. As for the pregnancy angle, there's always the plot device of a 'convenient time interval without supervillain activity' which might enable some of the Justice Leaguers to start families. "Two Years Later", the heroes have children and alternate babysitting and childrearing duties with one another, because they're modern metahumans and they'd never hear the end of it from Wonder Woman if they did neglect shared parental responsibilities.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 23, 2020 12:16:16 GMT
I must admit, the lack of generational turnover is one thing that really irritates me about the DC Core Earth at present. There have been some minor concessions- Dick Grayson became Nigbtwing, Damian Wayne and Jonathon Kent are the children of Batman and Superman, Kyle Rayner became Green Lantern and Wally West became the Flash and so on. However, it's balanced out by anti-concessional elements like the death of Aquababy, the rapid divorce of the Atom and Jean Loring, and Donna Troy and Terry Long and the death of their baby, the erasure of Wally's children, Bart Allen and XS from existence, the awkward estrangement of Hawkman and Hawkwoman, and the multiple Steve Trevors. By now (2020), Earth-One should look something like Earth-16 in the current multiverse. As for the pregnancy angle, there's always the plot device of a 'convenient time interval without supervillain activity' which might enable some of the Justice Leaguers to start families. "Two Years Later", the heroes have children and alternate babysitting and childrearing duties with one another, because they're modern metahumans and they'd never hear the end of it from Wonder Woman if they did neglect shared parental responsibilities. Indeed, many of the facts in Earth-1's chronology do not make much sense nor are they very logical. It seems that instead of thinking, "Why make this ridiculous change?" Instead, the writers of the comics think, "And why not make this change?" Only that explains certain tremendously Dantesque editorial decisions that DC Comics has been making for some time now. Legendary characters being transformed into "Twilight" refuge that did not last even ten editions in their comics as was the case with Lobo the horrible stories of Hawk and Dove in the Universe DC New 52 the JLI of the Universe DC Post-Reboot which was not bad but it was also light years to be one of the best erase from the space-time continuum the vast majority of iconic members of the Justice League, the Titans and other groups or else subject them to retcons that make no sense. In short, building a family among the superheroes of Universe DC is the hardest thing that exists if you are a superhero or a superheroine you better start praying for your loved ones so they don't die and then come back like zombies Black Lanterns to be disfigured,do not have their bodies possessed by some entity of darkness, to have their limbs cut off, to be raped, to be paralyzed, to be blind, to lose their powers or else to have their powers out of control be turned into villains in other timelines. Anyway, being a superhero in DC is not a pleasant thing.Because the readers do not want happiness nor for the characters to have happy destinations they want to see blood.I would really be much more surprised if in one of those outlandish and peripatetic mega sagas that promise to change forever such a world, universe, character etc that didn't need to kill anyone, do horrible harm to the characters, cause pain, suffering and unnecessary losses and that only lasts until another writer comes with a completely different vision and solemnly throw all the changes made and for which the characters had to make unimaginable sacrifices through the window and return everything as it was before.
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Post by starskyhutch76 on Sept 23, 2020 14:28:59 GMT
I must admit, the lack of generational turnover is one thing that really irritates me about the DC Core Earth at present. There have been some minor concessions- Dick Grayson became Nigbtwing, Damian Wayne and Jonathon Kent are the children of Batman and Superman, Kyle Rayner became Green Lantern and Wally West became the Flash and so on. However, it's balanced out by anti-concessional elements like the death of Aquababy, the rapid divorce of the Atom and Jean Loring, and Donna Troy and Terry Long and the death of their baby, the erasure of Wally's children, Bart Allen and XS from existence, the awkward estrangement of Hawkman and Hawkwoman, and the multiple Steve Trevors. By now (2020), Earth-One should look something like Earth-16 in the current multiverse. As for the pregnancy angle, there's always the plot device of a 'convenient time interval without supervillain activity' which might enable some of the Justice Leaguers to start families. "Two Years Later", the heroes have children and alternate babysitting and childrearing duties with one another, because they're modern metahumans and they'd never hear the end of it from Wonder Woman if they did neglect shared parental responsibilities. We dealt with the death of Aquababy and the creepy aspect of Dina Lance and her daughter in the "Legion of Doom" crossover. Some of the members of the JLA had been cast to hell. THey escaped hell by crossing into purgatory/limbo. While there, they found the soul of Aquababy and Dina Lance's daughter. It turns out that when the Thunderbolt had sent Dinah's memories into her daughter's body, he had actualy sent her spirit, so the daughter had ended up in limbo, still a child since she had been asleep all those years. When the heroes left purgatory, they took the children with them and once the crossover is eventually finished (someday), they will be reunited with their parents.
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