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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 18, 2020 18:53:40 GMT
Yeah, Dan, we've already tried to help kaiser find alternative ways to tell the story he wants to tell, but he doesn't like any of the proposals we've come up with. Let me say it again: I LOVE Justice League International by Giffen & DeMatteis. Many of us here do, though not all. It's just something that doesn't work in our continuity because we're based on Pre-Crisis comics. JLI was based on a Post-Crisis "New Earth" continuity in which Blue Beetle, Captain Marvel, Doctor Fate, Captain Atom, Power Girl, etc, are on the same Earth as the JLA, the JLA no longer exists, and the Global Guardians have lost their United Nations status -- none of which applies to Earth-1. Kaiser, if you have no interest in our stories or continuity, why are you here? Honestly, you cannot criticize stories that you haven't even read. And when we've tried to find ways to make your ideas work in our continuity, you aren't interested in them. Maybe the Five Earths Project is just not a good fit for you. I understand the fact that the DC 5 Earths forum timeline is based on the Universe DC Pre-Crisis in which Multiverse DC still existed and each hero and super group of heroes had their own well-established world. That I understand DocQuantum well I do not want to disagree with this fact. What I want is to discuss proposals on how to try to make a fanfiction with Justice League International with the same lightest and most irreverent tone of humor for Earth-1. I want to discuss ideas and make proposals on how this could be done without having to break the rules and in a way that would be satisfying and bring the same lighter tone of JLI of Giffen & DeMatteis to Earth-1 stories. What I want is to discuss ideas on how this could be done with you. And it was never my wish to lack respect for the stories of Global Guardians. I also love these stories heartily and miss the Global Guardians at Universe DC and would really love it if DC Comics brought them all back to Universe DC of comics.
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Post by dans on Sept 18, 2020 19:03:52 GMT
I don't really understand this: "The way I imagined JLI is a team from Earth-1 it would not work as a team from any other Earth since as I imagined it it could only be valid as a super group only in Earth-1. Moving it to Infinite Earths would ruin all of your validity as a team." If that group doesn't follow the guidelines of our continuity than it cannot exist on _our_ Earth 1.
But - 5EP doesn't own the ONLY Earth 1 on the internet. And, I don't get why there can't be a world in Infinite Earths which is as similar to the 5EP Earth 1 as you want it to be, but not the same one? Why this team can only be valid on the 5EP Earth 1?
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 18, 2020 19:17:58 GMT
I don't really understand this: "The way I imagined JLI is a team from Earth-1 it would not work as a team from any other Earth since as I imagined it it could only be valid as a super group only in Earth-1. Moving it to Infinite Earths would ruin all of your validity as a team." If that group doesn't follow the guidelines of our continuity than it cannot exist on _our_ Earth 1.
But - 5EP doesn't own the ONLY Earth 1 on the internet. And, I don't get why there can't be a world in Infinite Earths which is as similar to the 5EP Earth 1 as you want it to be, but not the same one? Why this team can only be valid on the 5EP Earth 1?
Basically because I don't think there is no place for JLI on Earth-1. The team could exist if it were properly worked as a subdivision of the Justice League of America designed to operate internationally.This is a point that I definitely don't want to have to change in a fanfic about the Justice League International. The way I conceive of the Justice League International would not need to "usurp the place" of the Global Guardians each of the two teams would coexist and complement each other in areas where one is more deficient than the other and would complete each other harmoniously in the defense of the countries of the globe .Of course there would be times when the two groups would dislike and even fight, but which two big families of friends did not have their moments of disagreement between their members? It would not be necessary to change the Justice League International to another Earth from Multiverse, it would work perfectly on Earth-1. What I want to discuss with you is how this could be done while respecting the continuity of Forum DC 5 Earths and which characters should be used in the impossibility to use the characters who are currently part of The Conglomerate? Which international superheroes and superheroines would you suggest I put in place of Guy Gardner, Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, Black Canary, Huntress, Power Girl, Fire, Ice etc?
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Post by starskyhutch76 on Sept 18, 2020 20:24:37 GMT
Not just uninterested, but insulting, rude, and dismissive.
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Post by dans on Sept 18, 2020 20:48:53 GMT
I never write on 5EP Earth-1, I don't find it nearly as interesting as Earth 2 or Earth S, and I haven't read most of the stories here, so I can't help you with Earth-1 continuity, sorry.
If you want to write about this particular JLI, and set it on Earth-1, I think you should start writing, follow our continuity as closely as you understand it, and post the story a chapter at a time. People will make comments on it; you can follow up on most of them as suits your story, and if the continuity cops point out something that cannot be changed in the context of the story, then you can either decide to move it to the Infinite Earths forum or withdraw it (or leave it unfinished, I've done that before! ). Generally I find that the authors here don't usually write stories based on other people's concepts or even in response to: 'here's a story I would like to see'. And honestly, discussions at the level of complexity of your original post are way over my own head; these days I need things to be pretty simple in order to contribute to a discussion.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 18, 2020 21:11:47 GMT
Not just uninterested, but insulting, rude, and dismissive. I humbly apologize to you if I insulted you or I lacked you with respect in any way. Believe me your opinion is important to me. I respect your knowledge and I really want to be able to hear what suggestions you would give me to make a JLI fanfiction. Please let us bury our differences and discuss ideas as friends.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 18, 2020 22:08:49 GMT
I never write on 5EP Earth-1, I don't find it nearly as interesting as Earth 2 or Earth S, and I haven't read most of the stories here, so I can't help you with Earth-1 continuity, sorry.
If you want to write about this particular JLI, and set it on Earth-1, I think you should start writing, follow our continuity as closely as you understand it, and post the story a chapter at a time. People will make comments on it; you can follow up on most of them as suits your story, and if the continuity cops point out something that cannot be changed in the context of the story, then you can either decide to move it to the Infinite Earths forum or withdraw it (or leave it unfinished, I've done that before! ). Generally I find that the authors here don't usually write stories based on other people's concepts or even in response to: 'here's a story I would like to see'. And honestly, discussions at the level of complexity of your original post are way over my own head; these days I need things to be pretty simple in order to contribute to a discussion.
Okay I understand that but what suggestions would you give me to make a Justice League International group on Earth-1 in a world of continuity Pre-Crisis ? Which members would you suggest belonging to Universe DC Pre-Crisis for a Justice League subdivision designed to operate internationally ? Type in the impossibility of using Guy Gardner it would be that I could not use an alternative version of the good of Guy’s brother, Mace Gardner who in the timeline of the DC 5 Earths forum never got to become the evil mercenary Militia and that besides possessing a cyborg body able to match Victor Stone in power would also own one of Green Lantern Corps' Green Power Rings that would be JLI's "adorable scoundrel" who owns an ego that doesn't fit inside the Universe who thinks that all other JLI members don't go from supporting to him ? And since I cannot use Blue Beetle, I could not use a "heir to the legacy" of Beetle of the Conglomerate that it would be an alternative version of the DC Pre-Crisis Earth-1 of Jaime Reyes that would not have any exoskeleton generated by any symbiotic beetle but that in compensation would have super powers given to he by a serum made from genetic samples from a Beetle Genetically Altered that would give him super strength, super agility, super speed, super motor coordination, super balance and the ability to climb vertical surfaces, 360º vision and regenerative powers comparable to those of a Beetle and who would also be a genius comparable to Peter Parker of the Marvel Universe ? And what superheroes and superheroines internationals of Universe DC Pre-Crisis would you suggest that I put in JLI in place of Booster Gold, Black Canary, Huntress, Power Girl, Fire, Ice, Crimson Fox, Tasmanian Devil, Doctor Light etc? I would really like to discuss with you what ideas and suggestions you would give to compose a Justice League International located on Earth-1 in the DC Pre-Crisis Universe and I really want to hear which characters from the DC Pre-Crisis Universe you believe would be cooler and interesting in a JLI team located at Earth-1 before Crisis on Infinite Earths . I respect your wisdom and knowledge about Universe DC Pre-Crisis very much and I would simply love to hear what ideas you have to give me.
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Post by lawrenceliberty on Sept 18, 2020 22:37:14 GMT
Here are my suggestions: Use the Super Powers characters you already named- Golden Pharoah, Cyclotron, plus your versions of Vulcan, Rima, and an E-1 Captain Rey, Guy could be in the group too, use the Arabian Archer, perhaps another acrobatic type like Creeper in place of Blue Beetle, use Apache Chief, use the hero- Samurai who had wind powers, use an alien from another planet like Jupiter in place of Jemm. Perhaps, a Batman type of your own design - Cormorant? Also, how about witch- Conjura? As for Booster- how about Peter Platinum? These are just some ideas. They would give you a team all your own with some being close to the originals you wanted.
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Post by DocQuantum on Sept 18, 2020 22:39:49 GMT
By the way, I did mention that the Conglomerate no longer exists as of Invasion, so it's not like those characters are still being used right now. I need to finish that Green Lantern story featuring Guy Gardner to clear up some things, but after that he's free to use, as is Maxwell Lord.
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Post by DocQuantum on Sept 18, 2020 22:40:43 GMT
I like the name I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S NOT THE JUSTICE LEAGUE STARRING THE SUPERBUDDIES.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 18, 2020 23:33:29 GMT
Here are my suggestions: Use the Super Powers characters you already named- Golden Pharoah, Cyclotron, plus your versions of Vulcan, Rima, and an E-1 Captain Rey, Guy could be in the group too, use the Arabian Archer, perhaps another acrobatic type like Creeper in place of Blue Beetle, use Apache Chief, use the hero- Samurai who had wind powers, use an alien from another planet like Jupiter in place of Jemm. Perhaps, a Batman type of your own design - Cormorant? Also, how about witch- Conjura? As for Booster- how about Peter Platinum? These are just some ideas. They would give you a team all your own with some being close to the originals you wanted. I've already put Apache Chief, Black Vulcan, Captain Ray, Cyclotron, Golden Pharaoh, Rima the Jungle Woman, Samurai and The Wonders Twins together with Gleek on my list of characters that I would use as members of JLI. I would like two uniformed female vigilantes to take the place of Black Canary and Huntress as well as someone to take the place of Batman who was not a murderer but who could take the place of the Hooded Crusader as the guy who puts this bunch of kids on the line.Maybe Batgirl / Mary Elizabeth "Bette" Kane. Jemm the Son of Saturn is a good size as a replacement for Martian Manhunter and I thought of Superwoman / Karsta Wor-Ul / Kristin Wells to take the place of Superman. I am not interested in either Bloodwynd or Maxima, both are not very interesting characters or that I want to put on JLI. I was thinking of Michele Carter at Goldstar to take the place of Booster Gold. Creeper is a good suggestion he is a crazy with a priceless sense of humor.I would like a Brazilian hero or heroine to replace Fire and someone to replace Ice.
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Post by starskyhutch76 on Sept 18, 2020 23:39:58 GMT
Helena Bertinelli is basically a different character, so she could always be an E-1 Huntress. Big Barda would be a good replacement for Powergirl. If Canononball were to have actually survived his fight with the Crime Syndicate (maybe he was in a coma) he would be a good substitute for Booster Gold.
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Post by DocQuantum on Sept 18, 2020 23:41:41 GMT
We don't need a substitute for Booster Gold, since Booster Gold is now on Earth-1. Also, Cannonball is sadly dead.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 18, 2020 23:42:29 GMT
By the way, I did mention that the Conglomerate no longer exists as of Invasion, so it's not like those characters are still being used right now. I need to finish that Green Lantern story featuring Guy Gardner to clear up some things, but after that he's free to use, as is Maxwell Lord. I am happier to know that because I really want to be able to use Guy Gardner. Half the grace of JLI is in him the guy who considers himself to be the "greatest living superhero" and all the rest of the DC universe just "extras" to act with him. Really without Guy Gardner, JLI would not have the same grace or sense of humor. Maxwell Lord, as I said, I intend to replace by his ex-wife Claire Montgomery.
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Post by kaiserleomon on Sept 18, 2020 23:51:17 GMT
Helena Bertinelli is basically a different character, so she could always be an E-1 Huntress. Big Barda would be a good replacement for Powergirl. If Canononball were to have actually survived his fight with the Crime Syndicate (maybe he was in a coma) he would be a good substitute for Booster Gold. Interesting to know that so maybe to use Huntress. I would now like someone to replace Black Canary. Big Barda I had already put as a member as well as Mister Miracle because both have always belonged to Earth-1. I've also put Orion and Lightray.If as DocQuantum said Booster Gold was always from Earth-1, maybe to use he too.
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