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Post by johnreiter902 on Aug 28, 2021 19:53:15 GMT
This world starts off as a version of Earth-2
in 1916, Kal-L's rocked is speeding towards Earth, on course for Kansas. But, on the way, it passes through a weird spacial anomaly. When the rocket emerges form the other side, it is no longer alone.
It has been joined by four more rockets, all slightly different, coming from four alternate versions of Krypton. Each rocket is on a slightly different course, and lands in a different place.
Kal-L of Krypton-2 lands, as expected, in Kansas, where he is adopted by John and Mary Kent
Kal-El of Krypton-2004 (True Brit) lands near Somerset, in England, as is adopted by the Clark family of farmers and named Colin
Kal-L of Krypton-10 lands in the Sudetenland, where is is adopted by a family of German nationalist farmers and named Karl Kant.
Kal-L of Krypton-30 lands in the Ukraine, where is is adopted into a family of Russian peasant farmers
Kal-El of Krypton-2002 (Shogun of Steel) lands in Japan. Being more Asiatic in appearance, he is adopted by a family of rice farmers and named Hoshi
How would this world be different when these Supermen come of age?
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Post by jonclark on Aug 28, 2021 20:43:07 GMT
If this is in the same timeframe as Earth-Two this could be apocalyptic when World War II happens with the Allies having 3 Supermen and the Axis having 2 Supermen.
Unless these are Supermen who somehow intervene to change their societies.
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Post by johnreiter902 on Aug 29, 2021 1:37:56 GMT
Their personalities will be the same as before. Nazi Superman will grow up to be Hitler's loyal enforcer. Soviet Superman will fill the same role for Stalin.
American Superman and British Superman will become heroes to their nations, with varying success.
The Japanese Superman will be interesting. If his personality is the same as in the Shogun of Steel, he will oppose the military dictatorship, feeling they are giving the Emperor bad advice and sending Japan down a bad path. He will pledge his loyalty personally to the Emperor, and offer to support the Emperor against all his enemies, in and outside of Japan.
I do wonder how the presence of the German and Japanese Supermen will affect the metahuman community in their countries, Also, whether the British and Russian Supermen would inspire more heroes in their own countries.
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Post by redsycorax on Sept 9, 2021 4:21:43 GMT
Could the weird spatial anomaly be akin to the same alien matter duplicator that created the energy duplicate of Earth-One's Kal-El known as Super-Brat/Bully/Menace in Superman 137? Perhaps it could be a higher grade version of the same technology, which could therefore create multiple copies of Kal-El and his rocket, albeit on slightly different trajectories, which means one would land in Kansas, one would land in Sudetenland, one would turn up in the Ukraine and another would end up in Somerset. The problem that I have with the Shogun of Steel scenario is that this Superman wouldn't be an exact duplicate of Kal-El/Kal-L; I'm not sure if you want to use Twenx in this context, but it's an option for an Asian Superman, although it wouldn't be Kal. As for getting him to this Earth, there might be a singularity/white hole which could send him there from his original universe. dc.fandom.com/wiki/Super-Menace_(Earth-One) :"The Two Faces of Superman": Superman 137 (May 1960) |
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Post by johnreiter902 on Sept 9, 2021 10:51:34 GMT
I'm fine with that. I just wonder what the affects on the history of Earth-2 would be if most of the great powers in WW2 had their own Superman, to inspire their own age of heroes.
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Post by dans on Sept 9, 2021 19:46:39 GMT
all the countries without a Superman developed nuclear weapons much more urgently? Petitioned to become client states of the Big 5? Put a lot of research into artificial kryptonite? Tried to bribe one of the Supermen into coming to their country instead of the original adopted company? (Of course, what could bribe Superman? What could you give him that he couldn't just take if he wanted it?)
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Post by redsycorax on Sept 10, 2021 2:13:28 GMT
It wouldn't be Earth-Two. If you want to take an optimistic perspective, then try this. British Superman assists the RAF to defeat the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain and goes on to safeguard the country against Nazi air assault. Nazi Superman may either (a) stop the Normandy landings in 1944 or (b) expand Axis influence dramatically, so that Nazi Germany ends up consolidating its hold on the Mediterranean and Western and Central Europe. One perverse effect might be that Hitler and his significant Nazi Party entourage do not launch Operation Barbarossa in 1941 because they're worried about what the Soviet Superman would do if provoked. Resultantly, WW2 ends sooner than in our timeline, in a stalemate. The British Empire is never weakened as it was on our Earth, Nazi Germany survives and so does the USSR. Would Pearl Harbour happen, given that any Japanese Superman attack would be fought off by the US Superman? And what about kryptonite, and reverse engineering of amenable Kryptonian technology? I suspect we'd end up with a multipolar world and a metahuman Cold War- Japan, the United Kingdom, the United States and USSR would fight amongst themselves at the edges of their spheres of influence in low-intensity warfare, much as was the case on our Earth.
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Post by dans on Sept 10, 2021 10:57:04 GMT
I think there would be a superhuman arms race, where every country started a program to find or create superhumans. If it is one of those magic worlds, there would probably be an increase in sacrifices to the most powerful gods and goddesses, trying to convince them to create some supers... Every biochemist would be looking for ways to improve humans. Iron-man style armor would be a big thing.
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Post by johnreiter902 on Sept 10, 2021 12:37:24 GMT
I think there would be a superhuman arms race, where every country started a program to find or create superhumans. If it is one of those magic worlds, there would probably be an increase in sacrifices to the most powerful gods and goddesses, trying to convince them to create some supers... Every biochemist would be looking for ways to improve humans. Iron-man style armor would be a big thing. One factor that comes into the idea of a superhuman arms race, is that initially, some nation have more heroes than other (besides superman)
the USA is very hero-rich
Germany has the second biggest population of native superhumans
Japan has only a few (like the Samurai Squad)
Russia and Britain have only one or two super heroes each (Fireball and Steelwolf in Russia, Knight and Squire in England)
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Post by redsycorax on Sept 13, 2021 0:06:31 GMT
Although, could the existence of Supermen analogues lead to the rise of additional metahumans in other nations than Germany or the United States? There might be a lot more than is the case on 1940s Earth-Two.
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Post by johnreiter902 on Sept 13, 2021 11:48:39 GMT
Although, could the existence of Supermen analogues lead to the rise of additional metahumans in other nations than Germany or the United States? There might be a lot more than is the case on 1940s Earth-Two. That's exactly what I was thinking |
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Post by johnreiter902 on Sept 13, 2021 11:50:40 GMT
It wouldn't be Earth-Two. If you want to take an optimistic perspective, then try this. British Superman assists the RAF to defeat the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain and goes on to safeguard the country against Nazi air assault. Nazi Superman may either (a) stop the Normandy landings in 1944 or (b) expand Axis influence dramatically, so that Nazi Germany ends up consolidating its hold on the Mediterranean and Western and Central Europe. One perverse effect might be that Hitler and his significant Nazi Party entourage do not launch Operation Barbarossa in 1941 because they're worried about what the Soviet Superman would do if provoked. Resultantly, WW2 ends sooner than in our timeline, in a stalemate. The British Empire is never weakened as it was on our Earth, Nazi Germany survives and so does the USSR. Would Pearl Harbour happen, given that any Japanese Superman attack would be fought off by the US Superman? And what about kryptonite, and reverse engineering of amenable Kryptonian technology? I suspect we'd end up with a multipolar world and a metahuman Cold War- Japan, the United Kingdom, the United States and USSR would fight amongst themselves at the edges of their spheres of influence in low-intensity warfare, much as was the case on our Earth. I'm wondering if all the Supermen might just balance each other out.
For example. Sure, British Superman could stop the Luftwaffe from blitzing London. So, Hitler sends Overman to escort the bombers. While the 2 Supermen fight, the Blitz happens exactly as normal. The same thing happens in reverse when British Supermen escorts British bombers to Germany.
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Post by jonclark on Sept 13, 2021 16:39:09 GMT
It wouldn't be Earth-Two. If you want to take an optimistic perspective, then try this. British Superman assists the RAF to defeat the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain and goes on to safeguard the country against Nazi air assault. Nazi Superman may either (a) stop the Normandy landings in 1944 or (b) expand Axis influence dramatically, so that Nazi Germany ends up consolidating its hold on the Mediterranean and Western and Central Europe. One perverse effect might be that Hitler and his significant Nazi Party entourage do not launch Operation Barbarossa in 1941 because they're worried about what the Soviet Superman would do if provoked. Resultantly, WW2 ends sooner than in our timeline, in a stalemate. The British Empire is never weakened as it was on our Earth, Nazi Germany survives and so does the USSR. Would Pearl Harbour happen, given that any Japanese Superman attack would be fought off by the US Superman? And what about kryptonite, and reverse engineering of amenable Kryptonian technology? I suspect we'd end up with a multipolar world and a metahuman Cold War- Japan, the United Kingdom, the United States and USSR would fight amongst themselves at the edges of their spheres of influence in low-intensity warfare, much as was the case on our Earth. I'm wondering if all the Supermen might just balance each other out.
For example. Sure, British Superman could stop the Luftwaffe from blitzing London. So, Hitler sends Overman to escort the bombers. While the 2 Supermen fight, the Blitz happens exactly as normal. The same thing happens in reverse when British Supermen escorts British bombers to Germany.
Except that the German Superman would have both the American and the British Superman to face when the Western Allies flew joint missions and like in real life would have difficulty fighting on two fronts against the Soviet Superman in the East and the Allied Supermen in the West simultaneously. On the flip side, Ubermensch, if they all have the 1940's era power levels (post superleaps) would allow Germany to attack the US on our own soil since he could fly across the Atlantic unlike any plane or missile. For a look at a more widespread version of World War II where there were Superman-level soldiers on all sides check out the Uber series from Avatar Press. The only drawback being that the series never finished due to publisher issues. |
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Post by johnreiter902 on Sept 14, 2021 0:47:10 GMT
I'm wondering if all the Supermen might just balance each other out.
For example. Sure, British Superman could stop the Luftwaffe from blitzing London. So, Hitler sends Overman to escort the bombers. While the 2 Supermen fight, the Blitz happens exactly as normal. The same thing happens in reverse when British Supermen escorts British bombers to Germany.
Except that the German Superman would have both the American and the British Superman to face when the Western Allies flew joint missions and like in real life would have difficulty fighting on two fronts against the Soviet Superman in the East and the Allied Supermen in the West simultaneously. On the flip side, Ubermensch, if they all have the 1940's era power levels (post superleaps) would allow Germany to attack the US on our own soil since he could fly across the Atlantic unlike any plane or missile. For a look at a more widespread version of World War II where there were Superman-level soldiers on all sides check out the Uber series from Avatar Press. The only drawback being that the series never finished due to publisher issues. True. Of course, the British and American Supermen will have to divide their time between Europe and the Pacific, battling the Japanese Superman |
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Post by redsycorax on Sept 14, 2021 1:52:02 GMT
I think we're missing the kryptonite question here. Eventually, one or other of the armed forces will discover its existence but then realise that they can't use it against rival Supermen without opposing armed forces doing so reciprocally to theirs. And remember what happened in Kal-El's mind when the sand-imprint Superman from Quirrm fought him in the seventies after the chain reaction that transformed all contemporary kryptonite then on Earth into iron- their powers cancelled each other out, but the resulting combat destroyed all life on the planet. Although that wouldn't happen if the power level was kept to the 1940s Earth-Two Kal-L level... although there would be a lot of 'bursting shells' around in aerial combat, so it'd be a question of finding the optimal power level.
As for the European and Pacific theatres question, the same would apply to the Soviet Superman. He'd have to travel between northeastern Siberia and the European USSR to combat the German and Japanese Supermen. The British Superman might be deployed exclusively against the Nazi version, given the immediacy of the threat to the United Kingdom, while there could have been a tacit agreement between Churchill and Roosevelt to utilise the US Superman against the Japanese in the Pacific theatre when and if that priority arose. If they'd heard about it, Hitler and Tojo might have arranged something identical when it came to the Axis Supermen. As for the reverse engineering situation of the various Kal-L's starships, what if that meant that each side had access to intercontinental ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons several years or decades earlier than on our Earth? Or provided advanced weaponry options and accelerated technological development?
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