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Post by redsycorax on Apr 27, 2022 3:42:58 GMT
Do not read if you want to peruse this issue at your own leisure. So, okay. Without going into the grim details, Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman are killed by their assailant, who also immediately kills the rest of the heroes, including Aquaman, Black Canary, Green Arrow, Hawkgirl, Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern/John Stewart, and Zatanna. Black Adam is also present, but escapes albeit wounded. Naomi, Jon Kent (Superman II) and Wally West (Flash) are horrified to learn about this turn of events. Hmmmm. Okay, this leaves space for the Ryan Choi/Ray Palmer Atom/s, Hal Jordan/Simon Baz/Jessica Cruz to replace John (and I've got to say that I am appalled that DC has killed off one of its iconic African-American characters), Hawkman and Mera (hell, this is going to be tough on them...), Ms. Martian, Jon and Zachary Zatara to step up as a replacement metahuman justice organisation. Other prospects are Nightwing, John Constantine, Yana Flor/Donna Troy/Cassie Sandmark as Wonder Woman. Part of me actually wonders whether this event is intended to sideline Earth-Zero as the 'core' DC alternate Earth in favour of a more multiversal approach. Perhaps it might be replaced by the current iteration of Earth-1, or perhaps there will be no pivotal 'core' Earth after this?: screenrant.com/death-justice-league-spoilers-killed-dc-comics/
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Post by kaiserleomon on May 10, 2022 21:27:54 GMT
I don't care too much about the death of Justice League members. They may even be dead for a while in the comic book titles of DC Comics but it is inevitable that one day they will end up miraculously returning to save the younger superheroes from some danger even greater than the Great Darkness. In that case I would even love to think about the possibility of a new major DC Comics event focused on the resurrection of dead heroes and characters not only from the Justice League but also from the Justice League International , Justice Society of America , New Titans , Team Titans , Legion of Super-Heroes , L.E.G.I.O.N. , Omega Men , Global Guardians , Suicide Squad , Green Lantern Corps , Outsiders , Outlaws , New Gods etc with DC resurrecting all the superheroes and superheroines who had tragic and unfair deaths in the comics in recent years . I know it's a very remote possibility but it doesn't hurt to dream about it, right? But I'm curious to see which heroes and heroines will take the Justice League's place in as long as the core members remain dead? Like some names that come to mind are: New Superman / Jonathan Samuel Kent, New Batman / Tim Fox, New Wonder Woman / Yara Flor, Miss Martian Manhunter / M'gann M'orzz / Megan Morse, New Aquaman / Garth (Garth was Aquaman's first official sidekick so it's a lot fairer that he becomes the new Aquaman than Kaldur'ahm/Jackson Hyde or Queen Mera), Flash / Wally West, Green Lantern / Sojourner Mullein, Hawkman / Katar Hol , New Green Arrow / Connor Hawke, White Canary / Sara Lance (I know she's not part of the DC Universe from the comics but so what? Put her in it somehow rays!), Zachary Zatara and other not-so-obvious names as members of a new incarnation of Justice League such as: O.M.A.C. / Kevin Kho , Lord Shazam / Clarence Charles Batson V , Doctor Light / Kimiyo Hoshi , Firestorm / Jason Rusch , Variant / Scarlett Taylor , The Atom / Ryan Choi and Offspring / Luke O'Brian but I would like to know what the DC Universe will look like by as long as the main members of the Justice League are dead and who and which groups will take their place until they return from the dead?
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Post by redsycorax on May 10, 2022 23:03:05 GMT
I think there's a caveat here that we might be missing- what if this is intended to decentre Earth-Zero as the core DC universe and shift the focus elsewhere? For example, on Earth-1, the classic Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and others are still alive. Or, it's possible that Earth-One and any Justice League established on Earth-1 may fill an analogous place to Earth-Two in the pre-Crisis universe, a repository of Silver Age heroes in the same way that Earth-Two was a storehouse of Golden Age heroes.
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Post by johnreiter902 on May 11, 2022 1:51:41 GMT
I think there's a caveat here that we might be missing- what if this is intended to decentre Earth-Zero as the core DC universe and shift the focus elsewhere? For example, on Earth-1, the classic Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and others are still alive. Or, it's possible that Earth-One and any Justice League established on Earth-1 may fill an analogous place to Earth-Two in the pre-Crisis universe, a repository of Silver Age heroes in the same way that Earth-Two was a storehouse of Golden Age heroes. I could only see DC doing this if they thought that those heroes were declining in popularity
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Post by redsycorax on May 11, 2022 2:55:05 GMT
It could be a way out of the Silver Age Straitjacket that both DC (and Marvel) have been trapped in since the sixties.
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Post by kaiserleomon on May 11, 2022 12:22:31 GMT
I think there's a caveat here that we might be missing- what if this is intended to decentre Earth-Zero as the core DC universe and shift the focus elsewhere? For example, on Earth-1, the classic Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and others are still alive. Or, it's possible that Earth-One and any Justice League established on Earth-1 may fill an analogous place to Earth-Two in the pre-Crisis universe, a repository of Silver Age heroes in the same way that Earth-Two was a storehouse of Golden Age heroes. It could also be that DC Comics really has the legitimate intention of renewing its universe of heroes and heroines and really wants to pass on the legacy of the legendary heroes of the Justice League to a new generation of super champions. It's been over 80 years since Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, Aquaman , Green Arrow, Black Canary, Zatanna and other heroes got together and they've already grown old for the current generation that has another way of thinking, other preferences when it comes to mentality , other forms of attitude towards life and the problems that the world faces are others , more diverse and more complex to be solved . These characters are the same and they don't age thanks to infinite time of the comics for over 80 years since Superman first appeared readers, as much as they like these characters, also want to read something new and close to them with characters with the same existential and life problems of the current generation. Maybe DC really wants to revamp and reinvigorate their line of comic book titles and pass on the legacy of the Justice League's great heroes to a brand new generation and if anything goes wrong they simply bring the Justice League back from the dead triumphantly to save the rookie heroes.
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Post by kaiserleomon on May 11, 2022 14:01:09 GMT
I think there's a caveat here that we might be missing- what if this is intended to decentre Earth-Zero as the core DC universe and shift the focus elsewhere? For example, on Earth-1, the classic Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and others are still alive. Or, it's possible that Earth-One and any Justice League established on Earth-1 may fill an analogous place to Earth-Two in the pre-Crisis universe, a repository of Silver Age heroes in the same way that Earth-Two was a storehouse of Golden Age heroes. I could only see DC doing this if they thought that those heroes were declining in popularity I think so too. The Justice League superheroes are exactly the same for over 80 years. And they live the same stories for generations. They don't age, they don't mature, they don't grow with the readers, they don't share their private and personal problems, they are too perfect, without human defects that make the public identify with them, they die but they don't stay dead unlike the readers of comic book titles who see loved ones and famous comics artists die and leave them with an immense sadness and an infinite lack of these people anyway, it goes that this tires the public that reads the comics. As much as these Justice League characters are loved I think it would be time to think about passing their legacy on to the next generation of superheroes and superheroines and letting this new generation grow and mature and build their own legends in the comic book titles.
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Post by kaiserleomon on May 11, 2022 14:10:07 GMT
It could be a way out of the Silver Age Straitjacket that both DC (and Marvel) have been trapped in since the sixties. Decades have passed since the Silver Age of the comics when these characters had their period of greatest appeal and popularity with the reading public. DC Universe fans are currently craving another type of comics than the ones they've been following for more than 80 years since Superman's debut in Action Comics #1. It would be time to think about renewing comic book titles and invigorates them for the current times when the readership is very diverse and has other preferences regarding the heroes they would like to read.
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Post by starskyhutch76 on May 12, 2022 1:23:24 GMT
I find myself totally ambivalent. It's obviously another stunt. That's all DC does this day. They lost me with the nu-52 and have yet to give me a reason to come back. They nearly had me with Rebirth, but Didio messed that up big time.
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Post by redsycorax on May 12, 2022 3:06:11 GMT
Their approach seems to be based on multiple timelines that trace the aftermath/s. However, in a way, I hope this is a reset and that they let the succession take its course- although there will be no successors for Black Canary and Hawkgirl. All the others have relatives and proteges that could substitute for them- Batman has several Robins and post-Robins (although I suspect it'll probably be Dick Grayson), Green Arrow has Arrowette (and possibly Roy Harper, although his status is ambiguous), Aquaman has Garth/Tempest and Aqualad II (Jackson Hyde), there are now multiple Earth Green Lanterns (although a lot of African-American DC fans are apparently pissed off at having John Stewart killed off instead of, say, Guy Gardner? Can't say I blame them at all for that!), there's a Hawkman in the Justice Society, Jon Kent can step up as Superman II, Donna Troy will probably take over Wonder Woman's role (unless Nubia does), and Zach Zatara will replace his cousin. So, although the Justice League has gone the way that the Justice Society once did, there are probably going to be ample recruits for a new post-JLA organisation. Unfortunately, with Hal and Barry still alive, there's the possibility of a cheap resurrection storyline that will see (sigh) Barry or Wally travel backward in time to 'undo the damage.' Unless, that is, the new timeline turns out to be the core one and resilient to any such attempt. And then there's the Atoms, Green Lantern Corps, Thanagar, Themiscyra and Atlantis to factor into the equation. And two unstoppable forces of nature named Lois Lane Kent and Selina Kyle, neither of whom would probably accept that the men they love are gone forever. However, it would be interesting if that were to be the case once and for all. As I said above, it's high time that the Silver Age hangover drew to a close. Although DC isn't the only comics company to do this. How many times has Marvel brought Jean Grey back from the dead?
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Post by kaiserleomon on May 12, 2022 11:24:50 GMT
I find myself totally ambivalent. It's obviously another stunt. That's all DC does this day. They lost me with the nu-52 and have yet to give me a reason to come back. They nearly had me with Rebirth, but Didio messed that up big time. I think so too. Killing the entire Justice League is an even more cunning and audacious stunt to bring back the readers that DC lost with the New 52 and DC Rebirth than The Death of Superman or Batman Knight Fall and the thing that revolts us the most is that it's in the face of anyone reading this event that it's all just one big stunt. The Justice League will die but it won't stay dead all these characters will come back to life again sometime sooner or later.
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Post by kaiserleomon on May 12, 2022 11:51:57 GMT
Their approach seems to be based on multiple timelines that trace the aftermath/s. However, in a way, I hope this is a reset and that they let the succession take its course- although there will be no successors for Black Canary and Hawkgirl. All the others have relatives and proteges that could substitute for them- Batman has several Robins and post-Robins (although I suspect it'll probably be Dick Grayson), Green Arrow has Arrowette (and possibly Roy Harper, although his status is ambiguous), Aquaman has Garth/Tempest and Aqualad II (Jackson Hyde), there are now multiple Earth Green Lanterns (although a lot of African-American DC fans are apparently pissed off at having John Stewart killed off instead of, say, Guy Gardner? Can't say I blame them at all for that!), there's a Hawkman in the Justice Society, Jon Kent can step up as Superman II, Donna Troy will probably take over Wonder Woman's role (unless Nubia does), and Zach Zatara will replace his cousin. So, although the Justice League has gone the way that the Justice Society once did, there are probably going to be ample recruits for a new post-JLA organisation. Unfortunately, with Hal and Barry still alive, there's the possibility of a cheap resurrection storyline that will see (sigh) Barry or Wally travel backward in time to 'undo the damage.' Unless, that is, the new timeline turns out to be the core one and resilient to any such attempt. And then there's the Atoms, Green Lantern Corps, Thanagar, Themiscyra and Atlantis to factor into the equation. And two unstoppable forces of nature named Lois Lane Kent and Selina Kyle, neither of whom would probably accept that the men they love are gone forever. However, it would be interesting if that were to be the case once and for all. As I said above, it's high time that the Silver Age hangover drew to a close. Although DC isn't the only comics company to do this. How many times has Marvel brought Jean Grey back from the dead? I imagine that if it were the case that DC was really planning to pass on the legacy of the legendary heroes of the DC Universe to all the heirs of the heroic legacy that exist, it could even be a brave move if DC killed all these characters and kept them dead with no possibilities of miraculous resurrections, no timeline reboots that would eventually make the DC Multiverse even bigger and vaster with even more diverse new Earths and for a brand new Justice League to emerge to take the place of the one that is gone with heroes completely unprecedented and unique. Unfortunately I don't think this will be the case. With the cartoon universe in which these characters are all mandatory presences, it is obvious that DC will not be crazy to kill all the heroes of your main team. Inevitably the Justice League will somehow come back to life sooner or later that is inevitable. In comics, heroes die but don't stay dead. I don't even care about the heirs of the heroic legacy of the Justice League there are countless heroes that could effectively replace the Justice League and form a new team if it were by chance the case that DC was even thinking about killing and leaving the members dead from the JLA as was the case with Justice League International but as it's not even a question that these characters will all come back from the dead but when I don't even care in the end the Justice League will come back triumphantly to save the universe once again. On the Hawkman heirs has Northwind / Norda Cantrell in its evolved form of Giant Egyptian Man Hawk (but that in this case they could do just like the cartoon character Frafdo from the CHAOTIC series and make him be able to speak with an acute voice) as a potential successor or Golden Eagle / Ch'al Andar / Charley Parker or Hawkman's son Hector Hal who although he died in the DC Universe Pre-Reboot comics may very well appear alive again as a potential heir of Hawkman. I know that in the current phase of DC comics both Northwind and Golden Eagle have become villains but so what? Just make them redeem themselves and go back to being heroes like in the past hours balls ! Superman has his son Jonathan Samuel Kent or Superman clone Superboy / Kon-El / Conner Kent to take his place. Martian Manhunter / J'onn J'onzz already has an obvious choice as successor Miss Martian Manhunter / M'gann M'orzz / Megan Morse . Batman has Nightwing / Dick Grayson , Robin / Damian Wayne , Drake / Tim Drake and one a without number of successors . Wonder Woman has Troia / Donna Troy , Wonder Girl / Cassie Sandsmark , Artemis of Bana-Mighdall , Fury II / Helena Kosmatos , Nubia , New Wonder Girl / Yara Flor as probable heiresses of the legacy. Flash has Wally West, Bart Allen, Wally West Black African American, Iris West II, Jai West. Green Lantern has Hal Jordan, Guy Gardner, Kyle Rayner, Simon Baz, Jessica Cruz, Sojourner Mullein as potential successors.Green Arrow could be succeeded by his son Connor Hawke, Arsenal/Roy Harper, Speedy II/Mia Dearden, Artemis/Artemis Crock, Arrowette/Suzanne "Cissie" King-Jones, Red Arrow/Emiko Queen. There are no successors to Black Canary but I imagine that DC would eventually invent someone.Zatanna Zatara obviously has her cousin Zachary Zatara as her heir. I think it might even be interesting if in the case of Lois Lane Kent, Selina Kyle and Queen Mera of Atlantis as a way of honoring the memories of the husbands who loved them assuming the heroic identities of Superwoman, New Batwoman and Aquawoman and showing themselves as being superheroines more than the height of their spouses' legacy. But in the case I think that if it was really a question of DC Comics passing on the heroic legacy of the Justice League there would be more heroes than the time to be its successors but it's a question of when these heroes will return because it's practically inevitable that they will one day return. But the Justice League is not going to stay dead. Of that I'm sure.
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Post by reichsmark on May 12, 2022 14:58:03 GMT
According to (questionable) fan sites spoilers say the Justice League is just the first to fall. Spoilers say the Titans are next and that it is actually what some people have called the Justice League Woke that will save the day. The new LGBTQ characters: Jon Kent, Yara Flor, Jace Fox, the gay Aqualad, black Wallace West and all of the new diverse young heroes. I guess we will have to wait to see if there is any truth to that.
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Post by kaiserleomon on May 12, 2022 15:29:34 GMT
According to (questionable) fan sites spoilers say the Justice League is just the first to fall. Spoilers say the Titans are next and that it is actually what some people have called the Justice League Woke that will save the day. The new LGBTQ characters: Jon Kent, Yara Flor, Jace Fox, the gay Aqualad, black Wallace West and all of the new diverse young heroes. I guess we will have to wait to see if there is any truth to that. This I can't say if it's really true or not but if the Titans have more casualties among their members it will be a tremendous shame for DC Comics. It's not enough the genocide of its members that the Titans suffered at the hands of that hysterical almighty Emo of Superboy Prime if they have even more dear and beloved characters like Nightwing, Troia, Starfire, Cyborg, Beast Boy / Changeling , Raven etc dead will be an immense scoundrel of dc comics. Superboy III / Jonathan Samuel Kent, New Batman / Timothy "Jace" Fox, New Wonder Girl / Yara Flor, New Aqualad / Kaldur'ahm/Jackson Hyde , New Flash / Wally West Black African American to die would be cruel to those who like them.
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Post by reichsmark on May 12, 2022 16:55:17 GMT
No, Kaiser, the spoilers say it will be the last five who will act as the new Justice League during the Crisis . It was never said they would be among the dead. But as i said this is from suspicious and not always accurate sites. In any case I don't think I would be out on a limb if i predicted the "real" JLA will be back by the end of the series. I would be a little surprised if they are still dead a year from now. I would be shocked if its 2 years or longer.
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