Emma Frost Hits Earth-617

[redsycorax]

The White Queen, Emma Frost, has also survived the destruction of Earth-616 and is about to hit the DC/Marvel "Fusion Earth" Earth-617. So what happens next? Wait and see...

[kaiserleomon]

May 17, 2024 4:53:43 GMT redsycorax said:

The White Queen, Emma Frost, has also survived the destruction of Earth-616 and is about to hit the DC/Marvel "Fusion Earth" Earth-617. So what happens next? Wait and see...

Was Earth-616 from the Marvel Universe destroyed? When did this happen and who was responsible for its destruction? Lord Thanos of Titan again? Or the Multiversal Masters of Evil? I know that Earth from Universe Amalgam is part of the New Multiverse DC also known as Earth-496 and Earth 1996 and all its characters are also part of the New Multiverse DC created after the end of Dark Crisis but I didn't know this Earth-617 Could you explain to me what this Earth from the Marvel Multiverse is like and how Emma Frost can affect it?

[kaiserleomon]

I have some (actually innumerable) suggestions of possible Amalgams between DC characters and Marvel characters. I hope you like it:




Darkseid + Thanos

Doomsday + Apocalypse (En Sabah Nur)

Mongul + Armageddon (Arm'Cheddon)

Despero + Onslaught (Psionic Entity)

Doctor Polaris + Magneto

Doctor Diehard + Joseph

Lord Havok + Doctor Doom

Gorgon + Doctor Octopus

Dreamslayer + Nightmare

Aura (Lindsay Wah) + Polaris (Lorna Dane)

Morgaine le Fey (DC) + Morgan le Fay (Marvel)

Mordred (DC) + Modred the Mystic (Marvel)

Solomon Grundy + The Abomination

Shaggy Man + Wendigo

Amazo + Super-Adaptoid

King Shark (Nanaue) + Tiger Shark (Todd Arliss)

Lex Luthor + Obadiah Stane

The Joker + Green Goblin

Tracer + Sabretooth

Deathstroke + Deadpool

Prometheus + Taskmaster

Tobias Whale + Kingpin

Doctor Mid-Nite (Pieter Cross) + Daredevil (Matthew Murdock)

Red Hood (Jason Todd) + Punisher (Frank Castle)

Bronze Tiger (Benjamin Turner) + White Tiger (Kasper Cole)

Iron Munro + Luke Cage

Richard Dragon + Iron Fist

Deadshot + Bullseye

Gorilla Grodd + Man-Ape (M'Baku)

Ultra-Humanite (Gerard Shugel) + Gorilla-Man (Arthur Nagan)

Killer Croc + The Lizard

Black Beetle + Venom

Reverse-Flash + Speed Demon

Parasite + Half-life (Tony Masterson)

Brainiac + Ultron

Imperiex + Galactus

Power Ring + Doctor Spectrum

Johnny Quick + Atlanta Blur

Captain Nazi + Red Skull

The Ultrasphinx + Sphinx (Anath-Na Mut)

Ultraman + Hyperion

Grid + Magus (Technarchy)

Superwoman + Power Princess

The Enchantress (June Moone) + The Enchantress (Amora)

Annataz Arataz (She is the Earth-3 counterpart of Zatanna Zatara) + Arcanna

Bloodyhawk (Hro Talak the Earth-3 counterpart of Hawkman) + Blue Eagle

Owlman + Nighthawk

Deadeye (He is the Earth-3 counterpart of Green Arrow) + Golden Archer

Deathstorm + Nuke

Doctor Chaos (Burt Belker) + Professor Imam

White Cat (She is the Earth-3 counterpart of Black Canary) + Lady Lark

Sea King + Amphibian (Kingsley Rice)

White Martian (S'kaa M'axx) + Skymax the Skrullian Skymaster (Sk'ym'x)

Atomica (Rhonda Pineda) + Tom Thumb (Thomas Thompson)

Elasti-Man (He is the Earth-3 counterpart of Elongated Man) + Shape

Superman + Gladiator

Nuclear Man + Sentry

Thunderer (Earth-7) + Thor

Phantom Stranger + Mysterium

Shazam + Captain Mar-Vell (Genis-Vell)

Mary Marvel + Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers)

Superman II (Val-Zod) + Blue Marvel (Adam Bernard Brashear)

Steel (John Henry Irons) + War Machine (James Rhodes)

Lady Steel (Natasha Irons) + Ironheart (Riri Williams)

Captain Atom + Nuklo (Robert Frank, Jr.)

Bombshell (Amy Allen) + Hazmat (Jennifer Takeda)

Martian Manhunter + Super-Skrull

Red Tornado + The Vision

Mekanique + Jocasta

Green Lantern + Quasar

Wonder Woman + Valkyrie

Batman + Moon Knight

Lobo + Wolverine

Lady Shiva + Lady Deathstrike

KGBeast + Omega Red

Bane + Crossbones

Supergirl + Xenith

Raven (‎Rachel Roth) + Phoenix (Jean Grey)

Beast-Boy (Garfield Logan) + Beast (Hank McCoy)

Killowat (Charles Watkins) + Berzerker (Ray Crisp)

Blue Devil + Nightcrawler

The Flash + Quicksilver

Zatanna Zatara + Scarlet Witch

Doctor Fate + Doctor Strange

Bloodwynd + Brother Voodoo

Swamp Thing + Man-Thing

Star Sapphire (Carol Ferris) + Darkstar (Laynia Petrovna)

Tasmanian Devil (Hugh Dawkins) + Grizzly (Theodore Winchester)

Wolfpack (Warren Griffith) + Warwolf (Martin Reyna)

Frankenstein Agent of S.H.A.D.E. + Frankenstein's Monster (Marvel)

Ferro Lad + Colossus

Yeti (Hu Wei) + Sasquatch (Walter Langkowski)

Baby Wildebeest + Toro (Benito Serrano)

Pantha (X-24/Rosabelle Mendez) + Tigra (Greer Grant)

Blue Beetle (Ted Kord) + Spider Man (Peter Parker)

Blue Beetle III (Jaime Reyes) + Ultimate Spider Man (Miles Morales)

Aquaman + Namor the Sub-Mariner

Queen Mera + Namora (Aquaria Nautica Neptunia)

Aquagirl (Tula) + Namorita (Namorita Prentiss)

Tempest (Garth) + Warlord Seth

Hawkman + The Falcon

Citizen Steel + Captain America

Agent Liberty + U.S.Agent

General Glory II (Donavan Wallace) + ‎The Patriot II (Rayshaun Lucas)

Black Canary + Black Widow

Green Arrow + Hawkeye

The Atom + Giant-Man/Ant-Man

Bumblebee + The Wasp

Superboy (Jonathan Samuel Kent teenager) + Kid Gladiator (Kubark)

Cyborg + Iron Man

Miss Martian + Lyja

Super-Chief (Jon Standing Bear) + Warpath (James Proudstar)

Flash (Jay Garrick) + Whizzer (Robert Frank)

Wildcat (Ted Grant) + Black Panther (King T'Challa of Wakanda)

Vixen (Mari Jiwe McCabe) + Black Panther II (Shuri)

Brainwave Jr (Henry King, Jr.) + Kid Ômega (Quentin Quire)

The Ray (Ray Terrill) + Spectrum (Mônica Rambeau)

Doctor Light (Kimiyo Hoshi) + Radiance (Ryoko Sabuki)

Argent (Antonia Monetti) + Dazzler (Alison Blaire)

Speedy II (Mia Dearden) + Hawkeye II (Kate Bishop)

Obsidian (Todd James Rice) + Cloak (Tyrone "Ty" Johnson)

Jade (Jennifer-Lynn Hayden) + Dagger (Tandy Bowen)

Catwoman (Selina Kyle) + Black Cat (Felicia Hardy)

Batwoman (Kate Kane) + Elektra (Elektra Natchios)

Congorilla (William "Congo Bill" Glenmorgan) + Gorilla-Man (Kenneth Hale)

Starman (Will Payton) + Nova (Richard Rider)

Huntress (Helena Bertinelli) + Mockingbird (Barbara "Bobbi" Morse)

Wylde (Charles Wylde) + Ursa Major (Mikhail Uriokovitch Ursus)

Red Star (Leonid Konstantinovitch Kovar) + Winter Guardian (Nikolai Krylenko)

Etrigan the Demon (Jason Blood) + Gargoyle (Isaac Christians)

Rocket Red + Crimson Dynamo

Mister Miracle + Ikaris

Big Barda + Thena

Lightray + Makkari

Orion + Gilgamesh The Forgotten One

Mark Moonrider + Starfox (Eros of Titan)

Beautiful Dreamer + Sersi

Vykin the Black + Phastos

Serifan + Sprite

Big Bear + Interloper (Betilakk)

Izaya the Highfather + Zuras

Hot Spot (Isaiah Crockett) + Human Torch (Jonathan "Johnny" Storm)

Hardrock (Ross Richman) + The Thing (Benjamin Jacob Grimm)

The Elongated Man (Ralph Dibny) + Mister Fantastic (Reed Richards)

Matrix (Pocket Universe) + Invisible Woman (Susan Storm Richards)

Katana (Tatsu Yamashiro) + Yukio

Looker (Emily "Lia" Briggs) + Psylocke (Elizabeth "Betsy" Braddock)

Amazing Man (Markus Clay) + Stonewall (Jerry Sledge)

The Olympian (Aristides Demetrios) + Hercules the Power Prince (Hercules Panhellenios / Harry Cleese)

The Olympian II (Achilles Warkiller) + Phobos (Alexander Aaron)

Ares (DC Comics) + Ares (Marvel Comics)

Atom Smasher (Albert Rothstein) + Atlas (Erik Josten)

Atomic Knight (Gardner Grayle) + Mach-X (Abner Jenkins)

Colonel Vox + Songbird (Melissa Gold)

Mala + Meteorite (Karla Sofen)

Mister America (Jeffrey Graves) + Citizen V (John Watkins III)

Lightning (Jennifer Pierce) + Jolt (Helen Takahama)

Cyborg Superman (Henry "Hank" Henshaw) + Fixer (Norbert Ebersol)

Firestorm (Jason Rusch) + Firelord (Pyreus Kril)

Metamorpho (Rex Mason) + Morph (Kevin Sidney Earth-1081)

Plastic Man (Patrick "Eel" O'Brian) + 2-D (Darell Paine)

Blockade (Unknown) + Iceberg (Jack Pierce)

Prysm (Audrey Spears) + Hope (Ariana Diamante)

Supergirl (Cir-El / Mia Kent) + Ms. Fantastix (Erika Kelley)

Damage (Ethan "Elvis" Avery Jr.) + Hulk (Bruce Banner)

Rampage (Karen Lou "Kitty" Faulkner) + She-Hulk (Jennifer Walters)

Fuerza (Alexa Antigone) + Red She-Hulk (Elizabeth "Betty" Ross)

Knockout + Savage She-Hulk II (Lyra)

O.M.A.C. (Kevin Kho) + Weapon H (Clayton Cortez)

ReMAC (Salah Miandad) + Red Hulk (General Thaddeus E. "Thunderbolt" Ross)

Loose Cannon (Edward Walker) + Skaar Son of Hulk

Freight Train (Eric Moran) + Totally Awesome Red Hulk II (General Robert L. Maverick)

Scorn (Ceritak) + A-Bomb (Rick Jones)

Fringe + Brawn (Amadeus Cho)

Young Frankenstein + Teen Abomination (Jamie Carlson)

Man-Bat (Robert Kirkland "Kirk" Langstrom) + Batwing (James Santini)

Detective Chimp + Howard the Duck

Tomcat (Tommy Bronson) + Puma (Thomas Fireheart)

Sentinel (Alan Scott) + Quasar (Avril Kincaid)

Andrew Bennett + Blade the Vampire Hunter (Eric Brooks)

Nightrider (Dagon) + Morbius the Living Vampire

Deadman (Boston Brand) + The Witness (Nelson Kohler New Universe, DP7 character)

Doctor Light (Arthur Light) + Lightmaster (Edward Lansky)

The Ray (Stan Silver) + The Living Laser (Arthur Parks)

Witchfire (Rebecca Carstairs) + Witchfire (Ananym)

Telos (Arak) + Alex Ultron (Earth-807128)

Rip Hunter + Cable (Nathan Summers)

Ra's al Ghul + Fu Manchu (real name Zheng Zu)

Vandal Savage + Romulus

Atomic Skull + Ghost Rider

The Spectre + The Living Tribunal

The Guardians of the Universe + The Watchers

Omen (Lilith Clay) + Emma Frost

Neron + Mephisto

Lord Satanus + Satannish

Sabbac + Dormammu

Blaze + Mephista

Eclipso + Blackheart

Cheetah (Dr. Barbara Minerva) + Catseye (Sharon Smith)

Lion-Mane (Edward Dawson) + Leonine (Peter Scholl)

Trigon + Surtur

Belial + Mangog

The Chief (Dr. Niles Caulder) + Professor X (Professor Charles Xavier)

Celsius (Arani Desai Caulder) + Oya (Idie Okonkwo)

Robotman (Clifford "Cliff" Steele) + Machine Man (X-51/Aaron Stack)

Negative Man (Lawrence Trainor) + Antibody (Randy O'Brien Earth-15731)

Mento (Steve Dayton) + Justice (Vance Astrovik)

Elasti-Woman (Rita Farr) + Stature (Cassie Lang)

Variant (Scarlett Taylor) + Rescue (Virginia "Pepper" Potts)

Brain (Unknown) + Doctor Sun (Sun first name unrevealed)

Monsieur Mallah + Ape-Man (Ani-Men)

Plasmus (Otto von Furth) + Glob Herman (Robert Herman)

Warp (Emil LaSalle) + Manifold (Eden Fesi)

Phobia (Angela Hawkins III) + Phobius (Unknown)

Madame Rogue (Laura de Mille) + Rubbermaid (Andrea Margulies)

General Zahl + Baron Wolfgang von Strucker

Tolifhar + Ape X (Roy Reyna)

Primat + Gorilla Girl (Fahnbullah Eddy)

Tiger Man (Desmond Farr) + Man-Eater (Malcolm Murphy)

Wundajin (Earth-8) + Thunderstrike (Kevin Masterson)

Kyle Abbot + Werewolf by Night (Jack Russell)

Anthony Lupus + Hunter in Darkness

Tygrus + Lord Tyger

Major Force (Clifford Zmeck) + Radioactive Man (Dr. Chen Lu)

Gorgon (Andonis Bal) + Cyclops (Scott Summers)

Azrael (Winged Angel Meta-Human) + Angel (Warren Worthington III)

Tigorr (Taghurrhu) + Titus

Broot (Charis-Nar) + Korg

Cecilia + Anaconda (Blanche Sitznski)

Harpis (A'Hwiirdh-Paan'A) + Warbird (Ava'Dara Naganandini)

Auron (Lambien) + Lightwave (Unknown)

Primus (Pren of Euphorix) + Hellion (Julian Keller)

Kalista + Kismet

Nimbus + Cloud (Carol Faber / Danny Milligan)

Doc + Recorder

Elu (Lonocelu Ospho) + Kamran

Felicity + Hepzibah (Unknown [Unpronounceable])

Lion-Miss (Earth-3) + Snow Queen (New Men)

Parademon (Secret Six) + Beta Ray Bill

Merlyn (Malcolm Merlyn) + Trickshot (Charles Barton)

Black Mass (Geoffrey Thibodeux) + Blob (Frederick J. Dukes)

Heat Wave (Mick Rory) + Pyro (St. John Allerdyce)

Captain Cold (Leonard Snart) + Blizzard (Donald Gill)

Terra (Tara Markov) + Quake (Daisy Johnson)

Geo-Force (Brion Markov) + Avalanche (Dominikos Petrakis)

Mirage (Miriam Delgado) + Mystique (Raven Darkhölme)

Merlin (DC) + Merlyn (Marvel)

Madame Xanadu (Nimue Inwudu) + Destiny (Irene Adler)

Gypsy (Cynthia Reynolds) + Lady Mastermind (Regan Wyngarde)

Cheshire (Jade Nguyen) + Revanche (Kwannon)

Giganta (Doris Zeul) + Miss Marvel (Kamala Khan)

Apache Chief + Giant-Man (Raz Malhotra)

Black Lightning (Jefferson Pierce) + Electro (Maxwell Dillon)

Livewire (Leslie Willis) + Lady Electro (Francine Frye)

Red Torpedo + Viv Vision

El Dorado + Señor Mágico

Warlord (Travis Morgan) + Ka-Zar the Savage (Kevin Plunder)

Black Vulcan + Nahrees

Rima the Jungle Woman + Shanna the She-Devil (Shanna O'Hara)

Jayna + Silverclaw (Maria de Guadalupe Santiago)

Zan + Hydro-Man (Morris "Morrie" Bench)

Ferdinand the Minotaur + Rintrah

Tomorrow Woman (Clara Kendall) + Alexis the Protector

Artemis (Artemis Crock) + Lady Hawkeye (Kate Bishop)

General Franklin "Frank" Rock + Colonel Nick Fury

Kid Flash (Bart Allen) + Speed (Thomas Shepherd)

[redsycorax]

Okay, Kaiser. A couple of years ago, I wrote this story, Crisis on Earth-616. In it, another version of the Crisis on Infinite Earths reaches Earth-616/the Marvel Universe. However, in this variation, it wasn't launched by the Anti-Monitor. As a consequence of the unexpected attack, only a handful of the Marvel heroes make it to the world next door, Earth-617, which is almost identical to Earth-One except in some minor aspects. Specifically, the surviving heroes and heroines are Jean Grey (Phoenix), James Howlett (Wolverine), Janet Van Dyne (Wasp), Tony Stark (Iron Man), Carol Danvers (Captain Marvel), Johnny Storm (Human Torch), Sue Richards (Invisible Woman) and her children Franklin and Valeria. Cyclops, Mr Fantastic and Ant-Man all sacrifice themselves to enable their loved ones time to get clear. At the same time, Magneto (Magnus Linkscher) enables White Queen (Emma Frost) to make her own getaway.

So, just to clarify, this isn't an amalgam universe, sorry.

5earths.proboards.com/thread/318/crisis-on-earth-616

At one point, there's an apparent possibility that another former Marvel supervillain has also survived, but it turns out to be a false alarm:

5earths.proboards.com/thread/421/times-fusion-earth-luthor-pathos

What happens next is that the former Marvel heroes settle down on Earth-617 and establish new lives there. Jean Grey falls in love with Ray Palmer (the Atom)...and yes, I'm aware of the irony there. Wolverine, Wasp and Iron Man all shift to Gotham, where Janet falls for Dick Grayson, supplementing Batman's crimefighting efforts. Eventually, like Jean and Ray, Janet and Dick marry. Meanwhile, Johnny's joined the Titans, where he establishes a close relationship with Koriand'r due to their analogous abilities. Because of the duration of Sue's marriage to Reed, she doesn't remarry, but eventually becomes a consultant scientist at LexCorp. She settles in nearby Smallville, where Clark Kent and Lois befriend the widowed Invisible Woman and her family. Meanwhile, Emma Frost has also arrived on Earth-617. However, discovering that there are far fewer mutants on that Earth, and that therefore it lacks the anti-mutant hatred, bigotry and violence she knew on Earth-616, she realises that she has an opportunity to make a new beginning on this new world. We pick up her story several years later. Emma has changed her name to Talia Winters and in a Central City nightclub, she catches someone's eye and she notices. There's a story twist where she reveals some new abilities and she saves the life of a certain resident of the city. Her act of heroism brings her into contact with someone else who becomes significant to her. Is her reformation permanent? Time will tell...

5earths.info/thread/2125/fusion-earth-touch-white-frost

[kaiserleomon]

May 20, 2024 23:37:00 GMT redsycorax said:

Okay, Kaiser. A couple of years ago, I wrote this story, Crisis on Earth-616. In it, another version of the Crisis on Infinite Earths reaches Earth-616/the Marvel Universe. However, in this variation, it wasn't launched by the Anti-Monitor. As a consequence of the unexpected attack, only a handful of the Marvel heroes make it to the world next door, Earth-617, which is almost identical to Earth-One except in some minor aspects. Specifically, the surviving heroes and heroines are Jean Grey (Phoenix), James Howlett (Wolverine), Janet Van Dyne (Wasp), Tony Stark (Iron Man), Carol Danvers (Captain Marvel), Johnny Storm (Human Torch), Sue Richards (Invisible Woman) and her children Franklin and Valeria. Cyclops, Mr Fantastic and Ant-Man all sacrifice themselves to enable their loved ones time to get clear. At the same time, Magneto (Magnus Linkscher) enables White Queen (Emma Frost) to make her own getaway.

So, just to clarify, this isn't an amalgam universe, sorry.

5earths.proboards.com/thread/318/crisis-on-earth-616

At one point, there's an apparent possibility that another former Marvel supervillain has also survived, but it turns out to be a false alarm:

5earths.proboards.com/thread/421/times-fusion-earth-luthor-pathos

What happens next is that the former Marvel heroes settle down on Earth-617 and establish new lives there. Jean Grey falls in love with Ray Palmer (the Atom)...and yes, I'm aware of the irony there. Wolverine, Wasp and Iron Man all shift to Gotham, where Janet falls for Dick Grayson, supplementing Batman's crimefighting efforts. Eventually, like Jean and Ray, Janet and Dick marry. Meanwhile, Johnny's joined the Titans, where he establishes a close relationship with Koriand'r due to their analogous abilities. Because of the duration of Sue's marriage to Reed, she doesn't remarry, but eventually becomes a consultant scientist at LexCorp. She settles in nearby Smallville, where Clark Kent and Lois befriend the widowed Invisible Woman and her family. Meanwhile, Emma Frost has also arrived on Earth-617. However, discovering that there are far fewer mutants on that Earth, and that therefore it lacks the anti-mutant hatred, bigotry and violence she knew on Earth-616, she realises that she has an opportunity to make a new beginning on this new world. We pick up her story several years later. Emma has changed her name to Talia Winters and in a Central City nightclub, she catches someone's eye and she notices. There's a story twist where she reveals some new abilities and she saves the life of a certain resident of the city. Her act of heroism brings her into contact with someone else who becomes significant to her. Is her reformation permanent? Time will tell...

5earths.info/thread/2125/fusion-earth-touch-white-frost

It's interesting to know all these facts about your fanfiction version for the Marvel Universe of Crisis on Infinite Earths. I think it's a very fascinating story that reminds me of Marvel's "Secret Wars" (2015 comic book) and the countdown to the end of Multiverse and the omnipotent God Emperor Doom. Without a doubt, your story is not about Universe Amalgam and I even believe it was much better if it wasn't. In the DC Universe, mutants are known as "Neo sapiens" primarily because mutants are not exclusive to Earth or humanity, other races in the Universe also have mutants, so not everyone could be classified as "Homo" and "Homo superior" would sound to others people of the universe somewhat arrogant. The first mutant in the DC Universe would have been Captain Comet. And as in the DC Universe there would not be the same hatred and prejudice against mutants as in Earth-616, the White Queen / Emma Frost would have the golden opportunity to create her own team of mutants in the DC Universe or accomplish your own personal goals on Earth-617 since "good" or "bad" or "by any other name" Emma Frost will always be Emma Frost. I would really like it if it were discovered in your fanfiction that there were other survivors of the destruction of Earth-616, that characters thought to have died in the fight against to causer of the destruction of Earth-616 in place of the Anti-Monitor managed to survive at great cost and that other Marvel heroes also made the crossing dimensional to Earth-617 like The Incredible Hulk (version "Professor Hulk" with his personality permanently stabilized and without any mental disorder that makes him "enemy and nemesis of humanity and its superheroes"), The Sensational She-Hulk, The Mighty Thor, Beta Ray Bill, The Amazing Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, Doctor Strange, The Beast, Black Panther (perhaps they could have been resurrected by fragments of the Infinity Gems that would have an infinitesimal fraction of their power and would allow Wolverine, Wasp, Iron Man, Captain Marvel [Carol Danvers], Phoenix [Jean Grey], Invisible Woman , Human Torch , Powerhouse [Franklin Richards] and Brainstorm [Valeria Richards] to bring back to life some not "all" heroes of the Earth-616, but they would decide that it is not right to resurrect only those who are important to them, such as their loved ones and friends, so with the limited power of the Infinity Gem fragments, they would resurrect these heroes above, who would integrate into the DC Universe, taking on positions such as members of important teams and creating romantic bonds with DC heroes and heroines). Anyway, this is just a suggestion that I give you, you must certainly have even more creative and formidable ideas for these characters, so don't feel obligated to use them if you don't want to. Nothing is more sacred to a creator than the freedom to work on his works as he wishes.

[kaiserleomon]

Just out of curiosity, I did some research and discovered Earth-617 from the Marvel Multiverse.

marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Earth-617

[kaiserleomon]

One thing I would simply love if it were possible to bring the heroes of Earth-616 back to life would be the fusion of the Justice League of Earth-617 with the Avengers into a single super group called, let's say "The Supremes", which would bring together the best of both Earths and the Marvel and DC Universes in the same super team of heroes. This would be how Batman and Iron Man would come to the conclusion that to prevent what happened to the Universe of Earth-616 from happening again, a group of superheroes would be needed that combined the best and most powerful things the two Universes had, so the Avengers from Earth-616 who would have been resurrected in some way would join the Justice League to form the super group called "The Supremes" which would bring together the most powerful heroes of the two Universes in the same group formed by : Superman, Thor, Martian Manhunter, Hulk, Wonder Woman, She-Hulk, Batman, Captain America, Green Lantern, Quasar, Flash, Quicksilver, Aquaman, Iron Man, Firestorm, Spectrum (Monica Rambeau), Black Canary, Black Widow, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Hawkman, The Falcon, Hawkwoman, Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers), Vixen, Black Panther, The Atom, The Wasp, Lightray, Ant-Man/Giant-Man, Orion, Hercules the Power Prince, Elongated Man, The Beast, Red Tornado, The Vision, Zatanna , Scarlet Witch in a gigantic team that would bring together the most powerful superheroes from two worlds to face threats too big even for the Avengers and the Justice League, adding the best and most notable in both Universes. Then it could also be cool to add the teams Doom Patrol and Fantastic Four, The New Titans and The Uncanny X-Men among other super groups in a world that would merge Marvel and DC heroes into the same super groups. What do you think of this idea?

[kaiserleomon]

That simple . And as for the reasons for the union, nothing too complicated. Simply Batman and Iron Man would come up with the proposal to unify in one of their two super-teams and the other associate members of both would agree that together the two supergroups would form the most extraordinary combat force the injustices that never existed. The team would be called The Supremes and would have a grandiose headquarters that would fund the two teams together. The Justice League and The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes would merge into a single grandiose super-team simply the most powerful super-team of heroes that ever existed and its members would coexist in the most perfect harmony ... of course ... there would be some conflicts Between the members. But what great family has never had its moments of conflict and estrangement among its relatives? They would strange, they would argue, sometimes they would quarrel, but still they would remain united and make peace, and when they had to fight a threat together they would be the most perfect and well-coordinated combat unit that would complete each other in the most perfect way to triumph over Evil. And they would relate to each other in deeper and more personal ways building strong friendships and partnerships as well as relating romantically with Marvel Universe heroes and DC Comics heroes falling in love with each other. And the threats they would face would be nothing short of simply the most powerful and terrible villains of Marvel and DC Comics would also decide to ally themselves to fight The Supremes. Darkseid and Lord Thanos of Titan, Brainiac and Ultron, Galactus and The Overmaster , The Joker and The Green Goblin, Wrath and Red Skull, Lex Luthor and Doctor Doom , The Legion of Doom and the Masters of Terror would join in a single group the Dictators of Doom, The Fearsome Five and The Frightful Four that would merge into a single group forming The Dreadful Nine , The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants and " The Brotherhood of Evil merge into the same group The Brotherhood of Darkness " to face The Supremes , The Star Empires Kree, Skrull, Shi'ar, Zn'rx (or Snarks), Badoons, Troyjans, Thanagarians, Dominators, Khunds, Gordanians, Okaarans, Durlans, Citadelians united in a single threat called "The Alliance of Stellar Empires" among many other dangers await members of The Supremes in innumerable sagas in which the heroism of the champions of two universes united in the same team will be put to the test. What do you think of this suggestion?

[redsycorax]

I think I'll leave a fully fused Earth-One and Earth-616 up to someone else. Another idea might be a JLA/JSA situation in which the JLA and Avengers team up each year when their Earths are in hyperspatial proximity, as Amalgam suggested. I quite liked that one myself, but it seems to have been a one-shot. I would have liked to see someone take it further. 

The reason that I restricted myself to a relative handful of Marvel heroes in my "Fusion Earth" series  was to focus on character interactions and how the ex-Marvel heroes readapt to life on a quite different world than their original one. Rather like Crisis on Infinite Earths, but without the straitjacket of compressed and modified history into a single 'post-Crisis Earth' that ruined the continuity of Power Girl, Hawkman and the Legion of Super Heroes. It's entirely possible that perhaps another group of Marvel heroes managed to get away from Earth-616 altogether and ended up on a third alternate Earth, or perhaps a group of Marvel villains ended up on one of the 'evil' Earths.

However, this is the way things are now: The culprit behind Earth-616's demise was a hyperpowered Galactus, whose abilities vastly increased, not the Anti-Monitor. Whether this version of Galactus overwhelmed and destroyed the Anti-Monitor while the latter was weakened, is unclear.  He could have done so. That's what is assumed. 

Confirmed dead: Hulk, Thor, Magneto, Doctor Doom, Captain America, Spiderman, Elektra, Daredevil, Black Widow, Mr Fantastic, Cyclops, Rogue, Charles Xavier,  Ant-Man, The Thing, Colossus and Kitty Pryde.  Whether anyone outside that list survived is an interesting   question.  She-Hulk, Dr Strange, Scarlet Witch, the Vision, Iceman, Beast,  Loki, the Red Skull, Hawkeye, Storm, Northstar, the Sub-Mariner, Black Panther or others might have gotten away through other means- perhaps Wakandan superscience? Uatu the Watcher's multiversal transit abilities?  Doctor Strange's magicks? But did they end up on Earth-617, or somewhere else? And if not Earth-617, where?

[kaiserleomon]

May 22, 2024 2:05:31 GMT redsycorax said:

I think I'll leave a fully fused Earth-One and Earth-616 up to someone else. Another idea might be a JLA/JSA situation in which the JLA and Avengers team up each year when their Earths are in hyperspatial proximity, as Amalgam suggested. I quite liked that one myself, but it seems to have been a one-shot. I would have liked to see someone take it further. 

The reason that I restricted myself to a relative handful of Marvel heroes in my "Fusion Earth" series  was to focus on character interactions and how the ex-Marvel heroes readapt to life on a quite different world than their original one. Rather like Crisis on Infinite Earths, but without the straitjacket of compressed and modified history into a single 'post-Crisis Earth' that ruined the continuity of Power Girl, Hawkman and the Legion of Super Heroes. It's entirely possible that perhaps another group of Marvel heroes managed to get away from Earth-616 altogether and ended up on a third alternate Earth, or perhaps a group of Marvel villains ended up on one of the 'evil' Earths.

However, this is the way things are now: The culprit behind Earth-616's demise was a hyperpowered Galactus, whose abilities vastly increased, not the Anti-Monitor. Whether this version of Galactus overwhelmed and destroyed the Anti-Monitor while the latter was weakened, is unclear.  He could have done so. That's what is assumed. 

Confirmed dead: Hulk, Thor, Magneto, Doctor Doom, Captain America, Spiderman, Elektra, Daredevil, Black Widow, Mr Fantastic, Cyclops, Rogue, Charles Xavier,  Ant-Man, The Thing, Colossus and Kitty Pryde.  Whether anyone outside that list survived is an interesting   question.  She-Hulk, Dr Strange, Scarlet Witch, the Vision, Iceman, Beast,  Loki, the Red Skull, Hawkeye, Storm, Northstar, the Sub-Mariner, Black Panther or others might have gotten away through other means- perhaps Wakandan superscience? Uatu the Watcher's multiversal transit abilities?  Doctor Strange's magicks? But did they end up on Earth-617, or somewhere else? And if not Earth-617, where?

I understand your reasons for limiting the number of characters from Earth-616 in the Marvel Universe to a smaller number of characters in order to better work with them in Earth-617 in the DC Multiverse. It is your right as a creator and writer to decide how you want to work with the characters you write and decide what use you want to give them. This creative freedom is one of the coolest things about writing fanfictions in them we can do whatever we want and give the direction that best suits the characters we love most.

Interesting that you used an infinitely more powerful version of Galactus to destroy Earth-616. Galactus was one of the first and most powerful villains in the Marvel Universe, being so powerful that he was above even the Gods of Earth and below only God using him as the definitive nemesis of the Marvel Universe in his version of Crisis on Infinite Earths in the Marvel Universe was a brilliant idea because I didn't like the ridiculously easy way in which Krona defeated and humiliated him in the Avengers/Justice League crossover and nothing more fair than making Galactus the ultimate villain of the Marvel Universe of Earth-616.

Regarding the Avengers and the Justice League united in one group, I think they could be limited to just fourteen members, seven of the Avengers seven Justice League that could be: Avengers: Hulk, Thor, Captain America, Captain Marvel, The Beast, Scarlet Witch, Black Panther Justice League: Superman, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern (John Stewart), Flash (Wally West), Aquaman, Hawkwoman (Shayera Thal). One thing I learned about comics and fanfictions is that those who are killed always find some way to return from death sooner or later in time to help their friends and to make a decisive difference when they need it most. In what ways could the deceased superheroes of Earth-616 come back to life?

Let us see perhaps thanks to artifacts such as the Cosmic Cube, the Infinity Gems, the Scarlet Witch's chaos magic that would allow Wanda to resurrect not only herself but all the heroes above, the powers to create entire Universes and shape the structure of reality by Franklin Richards as he wishes, Doctor Strange's magic that allowed a small group of heroes survivors cross to Earth-617, cosmic entities such as Eon, the aliens Astronaut Gods Celestials, the Watchers, Kronos the father of the Eternals of Titan, Lord Chaos and Master Order, the In-Betweener, the Vishanti, Eternity, Infinity, the Beyonder? Possibilities always exist, it's just a matter of looking for them.

There is also a thing called "legacy", perhaps the sons and daughters of these heroes who also made the dimensional crossing to Earth-616 decided to take on their names to honor them. Heroes like: Skaar Son of Hulk (The New Hulk), Beta Ray Bill / Simon Walters who had the entirety of the Mighty Thor's powers transferred into his body and received the hammer Mjolnir becoming the new God of Thunder and taking on the name Thor, Sam Wilson who would have become the new Captain America, Captain Marvel / Carol Danvers who was one of the survivors of the destruction of Earth-616 who made the dimensional crossing to Earth-617, some other bestial superhero super scientific genius from the Marvel Universe who would take over from The Beast/Hank McCoy perhaps one of Counter-Earth's "New Men" created by the High Evolutionary, Jimaine Szardos, a.k.a. Amanda Sefton she's always been woefully underrated in Marvel comics book titles and treated like a third-rate sorceress of the Marvel Universe who doesn't measure up to other witches of her own age but infinitely more powerful so it's time for her to prove her worthy to be the heiress of the name of the Scarlet Witch of Marvel Universe and prove that years of studying magic has borne good fruit for her and now she can be regarded as a powerful mystic of the Fusion Universe taking the place of Wanda Maximoff and Queen Shuri the new Black Panther or perhaps someone not so obvious like Kevin "Kasper" Cole the former White Tiger who would become the new Black Panther.

But your question about She-Hulk, Doctor Strange, Scarlet Witch, the Vision, Iceman, Beast, Loki, the Red Skull, Hawkeye, Storm, Northstar, Namor the Sub-Mariner is pertinent they could have also found a way to survive and at the last moment made the dimensional crossing but ended up in another Universe of the DC Multiverse. The question would be "which one" and how would they meet up with the group of Marvel heroes who crossed dimensions to Earth-617?

[kaiserleomon]

If you allow me the immense courage and boldness could I give you more suggestions for your new fanfictions of the fusion Earth from Multiverse DC the Earth-617 ? After all ideas are always welcome and imagination is the only thing 100% democratic that we all have the same way :

Well my suggestion is: Do you know the Earth-3 of the DC Multiverse Earth of Evil Universe of Crime Syndicate of America? A universe where everyone on Earth-1 are "heroes" there are "villains" and the opposite of all that should be "villains" in that universe are "heroes"? Well my idea is: Why do not you try to do the same in the Earth-616 and creates an Earth of the Multiverse where the heroes of Marvel Comics would be "evil guys" and the villains would be "heroes" and where the "evil always win the good " just with the detail that this would be elevated to the epic scale of Marvel films with Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, Black Panther, Spider Man etc?

Type versions malevolent and diabolically distorted of Marvel's most noble and heroic heroes with evil versions of : Hulk , Skaar Son of Hulk , A-Bomb , Savage She-Hulk II / Lyra , Sensational She-Hulk , Red She-Hulk , Doc Samson , Thor , Beta Ray Bill , Hercules , Thunderstrike / Kevin Masterson , Iron Man , Ant-Man / Giant-Man / Henry Pym , Wasp / Janet van Dyne , Captain America , War Machine , Captain Marvel / Carol Danvers , Scarlet Witch , Quicksilver , Doctor Strange , Red Hulk , Namor The Sub-Mariner , Silver Surfer , Valkyrie , Gargoyle , Son of Satan , Nighthawk , Hellcat , Ardina , Sasquatch , Guardian , Vindicator , Shaman , Talisman , Snowbird , Northstar , Aurora , Marrina , Puck , Justice , Rage , Speedball , Namorita , Firestar , Night Thrasher , Silhouette , Wonder Man , Drax the Destroyer , Star-Lord , Adam Warlock , Gamora , Groot , Rocket Raccoon , Moondragon , Mantis , Martyr , Photon , Captain Universe , Firelord , Gladiator , Mister Fantastic , The Thing , Human Torch , Invisible Woman , Professor X , Colossus , Cyclops , Phoenix , Storm , Iceman , The Beast (Version still more demonic and amoral of Hank McCoy than the "Dark Beast" without the slightest trace of humanity and human decency that unlike the Dark Beast also underwent two secondary mutations that gave him a similar appearance to the one of the Beast currently in the comics But permeated with more sinister traits), Psylocke , Shadowcat , Nightcrawler , Archangel , Rogue , Gambit , Bishop , Sunfire , Banshee , Warpath , X-23 , Havok , Polaris , The Vision , Black Panther ,  Ikaris , Thena , Gilgamesh the Forgotten One , Starfox , Sersi , Black Bolt , Medusa , Crystal , Gorgon , Karnak , Triton , Quasar , Black Knight / Dane Whitman , Black Widow / Natasha Romanoff , Hawkeye / Clint Barton , Nova / Richard Rider , Spectrum / Monica Rambeau , Tigra / Greer Nelson , Wolverine / James Howlett , Spider Man / Peter Parker , Spider Woman / Jessica Drew , Power Man / Luke Cage , Jewel / Jessica Jones , Iron Fist / Daniel Rand , Daredevil / Matthew Murdock , Punisher / Frank Castle , Ghost Rider / Johnny Blaze and White Tigress / Ava Ayala. 

And at the same time versions noble and heroic of most terrible and merciless villains of the Earth-616 with versions heroic of : Lord Thanos of Titan , Corvus Glaive, Ebony Maw , Proxima Midnight, Black Dwarf, Supergiant, The Abomination / Emil Blonsky, Juggernaut / Cain Marko , The Leader / Samuel Sterns , Apocalypse / En Sabah Nur , Doctor Doom , Loki Laufeyson , Gray / Brian Talbot , Ragnarok ( Clone Android Doppelgänger of Thor ) , Atlas / Erik Josten , Meteorite / Karla Sofen , Songbird / Melissa Gold , Mach-X / Abner Jenkins , Citizen V / John Watkins III , Jolt / Helen Takahama , Fixer / Paul Norbert Ebersol , Trickshot / Charles Barton , Kobik , The Destroyer , The Executioner / Skurge , The Enchantress / Amora , Hela , Ares , Evil Yellowjacket / Darren Cross , Baron Zemo / Helmut Zemo , Red Skull / Johann Shmidt , Titania / Mary MacPherran , Volcana / Marsha Rosenberg , Molecule Man / Owen Reece , Titanium Man / Boris Bullski , The Mandarin , Absorbing Man / Carl Creel , Speed Demon / James Sanders, Dark Beast (the same thing that happened in the Marvel Main Universe also happened in this other Universe and Hank McCoy's "evil counterpart" from Age of Apocalypse here is the most noble, honorable and virtuous being possible even more than The Beast of Earth-616 and tries to undo the atrocities provoked by its evil double. He did not get to undergo the new set of secondary mutations that gave a more sinister appearance to your counterpart having a noble and majestic feral appearance), Goblin Queen , Mister Sinister , The Shadow King / Amahl Farouk , Magneto , Mystique , Pyro , Avalanche , Blob , Mesmero , Sauron , Baron Mordo , Attuma , Terrax the Tamer , Madman / Philip Sterns, Madness Valkyrie ,  S'ym , Satana / Satana Hellstrom , Midnight / Jeffrey Wilde , Mad-Dog / Robert Baxter , Seraph / Sonya Tolsky , Count Nefaria / Count Luchino Nefaria , Ulik the Troll , The Demon Mangog, Surtur , Ymir , Kurse , The Wrecking Crew ( Bulldozer , Excavator , Piledriver , Thunderball and Wrecker ) , Ultron , Super-Adaptoid , Man-Ape / M'Baku , White Wolf (Hunter), Maximus the Mad , Annihilus , Blastaar , M.O.D.O.K. / George Tarleton , Lady Mastermind / Regan Wyngarde , Ronan the Accuser , Super-Skrull , Bullseye , Typhoid Mary / Mary Walker , Kang the Conqueror , The High Evolutionary / Herbert Edgar Wyndham , Man-Beast , Psycho-Man , Revanche / Kwannon , Sabretooth / Victor Creed , Lady Deathstrike / Yuriko Oyama , Green Goblin / Norman Osborn , Doctor Octopus , The Lizard , Kraven the Hunter , Electro , Hobgoblin , The Rhino , Scorpion , Vulture , Venom / Eddie Brock, Carnage / Cletus Kasady , Tiger Shark / Todd Arliss , Vengeance / Michael Badilino , Mephisto, Blackheart, Nimrod , Bastion / Sebastion Gilberti , Kirigi , Jigsaw / William "Billy" Russo , Vector / Simon Utrecht , Vapor / Ann Darnell , X-Ray / Jimmy Darnell , Ironclad / Michael Steel , Radioactive Man / Dr. Chen Lu .

In case I had imagined the following. These malignant counterparts from Earth-616 superheroes would invade the Earth-617 and completely defeat their heroes and villains (impossibiliting any chance of the DC villains of the Earth-617 Universe "changing sides" and opposing the domination of the evil counterparts of the Marvel heroes) more or less as the Crime Syndicate of America did with the Justice League in the DC miniseries "Forever Evil" with the difference that in this case there would be no Injustice League formed by the villains of the DC Universe of Earth-617 to oppose the diabolical counterparts of the Marvel heroes and would end left for Wolverine, Wasp, Iron Man, Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers), Phoenix (Jean Grey), Invisible Woman , Human Torch , Powerhouse (Franklin Richards) , Brainstorm (Valeria Richards) beyond of reluctantly White Queen  (Emma Frost) who managed to escape more a few more superheroes from Earth-617 and who now constitute a pale resistance to their evil counterparts allied with heroic counterparts of the Marvel Universe villains of this Earth of an Evil Universe Marvel (which could be called ... I do not know ... "Earth-46656" since 6 x 6 = 36 x 6 = 216 x 6 = 1296 x 6 = 7776 x 6 = 46656 ... for lack of a better name) the task of Save the world because "Evil is Relative". What do you think of this idea?